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It's the 1960's all over again

Of course, it passed. What is wrong with this country?



11.03.2004 Daily Photo comments closed
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  • 301. Sue F.O. said:

    I'm #300!!! WOOHOO!!!!!

    11.03.04 - 09:54 AM
  • 302. shy said:

    I'd like to ask Jacob how he feels about GAY African Americans. A denial of civil rights is a denial of civil rights. New time, but still separate and unequal treatment. It took our country a years to get to the place it has in affording African Americans their civil rights (and we STILL have a long way to go in terms of the institutions that, are to this day, disenfranchising minorities in this country). Gay Americans are experiencing a similar struggle.
    Just as we saw an era denying interracial unions and integration, and acceptance, and understanding, we are living in an era which denies the right of two consenting, loving adults the right to enjoy the same civil liberties that most take for granted.

    Feel free to not speak on my behalf because you have no idea.

    signed,
    A Gay African American.

    11.03.04 - 09:55 AM
  • 303. wow said:

    Get Murder out of the back alleys and onto the front porches in 2008!

    Catchy!

    Let's see:

    I poop lots of places, not sure I'll try the front porch on that one.

    Breastfeeding on the front porch. BTDT

    Murder someone in my womb on the front porch. Don't think I'll go there.

    (Sorry, couldn't pass it up.)

    I really do like your slogan. I'm not kidding.

    11.03.04 - 09:55 AM
  • 304. Amanda B. said:

    "And how can you dare assume that our persecution because we’re Americans is somehow more important or grizzly than the persecution that others go through every day for their citizenship or religious beliefs."

    That's not what I said. It's exactly this type of "putting melodramitic words in my mouth" that I don't understand.

    We do have a place in the "global picture". Of course we do.

    But I'm not going to whack you over the head because Canada or France or anyone else looks down there noses at our country. I'm proud that so many people voted yesterday. So many minorities got their voices heard. Things didn't turn out perfectly, but I'm damn proud to live in this country.

    I'll say it again. The votes that won the election are not those of gun- toting inbred idiots. They were the votes of middle of the road folks like me who are sick of all of the extremism and melodrama.

    You opinion is yours. But please don't put words in my mouth and then attack me.

    11.03.04 - 09:56 AM
  • 305. Becky said:

    It has been hard reading Dooce and DJ Blurb for the past month only because my political views are so different. Someone mentioned the need for the election results to sink in before conservatives jump in with their joy. I agree. I was alot younger when Clinton clobbered Dole and I remember making lots of dramatic comments about moving and being ashamed of my country. It is maddening when something you passionately care about results in a scenario you're not sure if you can stomach. Since the Clinton years have passed away, I've been able to see the vast ways he was a great president. I still vehemenently disagree with certain things but I admire the man; I'd shake his hand today. All that being said, I don't want to offer any apologies to those of you (the vast majority on this site) who voted Kerry. That would suggest pity. But I do want to say that I'm very aware that there appears to be two different USAs. This concerns me more than anything. I don't like reading the sorrowful warnings from those of you who are citizens of other countries. No offense, but we don't need your pity. We could use some folks in other countries who like us, who aren't polarizing the issues but like the big issues that we stand for: democracy, freedom, people who are willing to risk their lives for foreigners. I don't like the war, I don't like moral issues being decided by government. I do love God but that should compel me to do a bang-up job of loving you, too. I dunno. How can Republicans or conservatives or whatever you want to call us help listen to you and make sure that you don't feel like a stranger in a foreign land for the next four years? I'd like to know. I really hope I don't sound condescending. It's hard to explain here on a post...

    11.03.04 - 09:57 AM
  • 306. artgirl78 said:

    So I'm going to complain, whine and bitch my two cents for a moment. I'm not as mad as I am frightened that this has happened.

    When I woke up this morning and saw all the red, I was blown away. He got the popular vote?! Does no one care that we have so much unemployment? Does no one see the terror that he puts into everyone? Stem cell? Anyone? Anyone?
    I am freaked out. I'm not a vomiter, I'm more of a pooper. I heard on the radio...NPR that he is more relatable. He's for the blue collar...blah…blah…blah..

    I work in the public, let me tell you I have heard everything from ... “If you vote for Kerry- you better get your guns" to "I'm voting for Bush because he is Christian" to my coworker actually dancing around all 19 years of her exclaiming that she voted for Bush, "like because... um... like.. he's like against abortion and Kerry is like for it... and like.... he's not for Gays getting married and like... neither am I... cuz like... I'm super religious."

    whhhhhaaaattttt???? Yeah... so I'm freaked. This is going to be a police state/ religious rite and I'm glad I'm from New England where we all voted for Kerry.

    11.03.04 - 09:57 AM
  • 307. Sue F.O. said:

    DAMN, nevermind

    11.03.04 - 09:58 AM
  • 308. nick said:

    http://static.vidvote.com/movies/bushuncensored.mov

    LOVE THIS! THIS IS WHY I LOVE GEORGE BUSH. HE'S A REAL PERSON. Everyone at my office laughed hysterically and clapped when we saw this. It's great!!

    11.03.04 - 10:00 AM
  • 309. Sheryl said:

    I never did get the hubbub and hatred toward France - and the general ignorance (and lack of accurate press coverage) in the US of the background behind the situation over France not supporting us in Iraq.

    France, Germany and Russia all had pre-negotiated oil contracts with Iraq that would have provided them with fossil fuel supply well into the next century. The contracts were to take effect in 2003.

    When we invaded Iraq, the US govt nullified all oil contracts and took over the oil supply.

    Why would France want to help us out - we were telling them they could only have a fraction of the oil contract they had already negotiated!

    US: C'mon, help us out - OK, OK, we'll give you back a little of that oil that we took from you!

    France: Yeah *right*, Asshole!

    11.03.04 - 10:02 AM
  • 310. Karen said:

    They are interrupting my soaps!
    If I miss GH today b/c of this I am going to be pissed.

    11.03.04 - 10:03 AM
  • 311. chris said:

    Amanda B.

    You posted that you "totally agree" with Nick. And this is what Nick said:

    "you have no idea what it’s like to be hated for no particular reason when you are in college and treking through europe. you have no idea what it’s like when canadians wear their flags on their backpacks so no one will confuse them with americans. (horror!) or what it’s like to, everyday, hear how everything you stand for sucks but yet there are still reruns of “dallas” in possibly every country. how we are vile, ruthless war mongers, yet the first to help a country in need. how we are a bunch of obnoxious pigs yet people still would give their life to live here."

    You "totally agree" with that statement, as you said? You "totally agree" that people from other countries have no idea what it's like to be hated for no particular reason? That, then, to me is an assumption that you think our persecution is somehow more important than others'.

    I didn't put melodramatic words in your mouth or attack you. You "totally agree"d with a point. I disagreed. Stand by your words... I will stand by mine.

    11.03.04 - 10:04 AM
  • 312. come on said:

    Lisa,
    although that *is* funny, Christians don't just use old-testament writings as their foundation for thinking homosexuality is a sin. much of the pre-new-testament law is considered obsolete because the belief is that Jesus' grace saves us now, not our own actions. Homosexuality is mentioned in the new testament, not just in Leviticus.
    It's not a good idea to take Bible verses out of the context of the entire metanarrative that it is.
    Again, though, that was funny. And as a Christian I neither support nor condemn gay marriage. It's none of my business.

    11.03.04 - 10:06 AM
  • 313. chris said:

    mmmm... metanarrative.

    11.03.04 - 10:09 AM
  • 314. wow said:

    Sheryl,

    I'm so sorry about your friend. That is so sad.

    I think abortion is something the woman has to decide in a situation such as she went through.

    I don't know of anyone that feels as strongly as I do about abortion that would think abortion should be illegal in a situation like that.

    11.03.04 - 10:10 AM
  • 315. Amanda B. said:

    Chris- you interpreted the statements as you saw fit. That's cool. If you want to make a villan out of me rock on. Your interpretation in no way reflects my beliefs.

    11.03.04 - 10:11 AM
  • 316. Torie said:

    I'm almost afraid to comment for fear of public stoning (guess who I voted for). Honestly, this was a tough election. I am not a 100% whole-hearted Bush fan, but when I looked at the alternative I was left with no choice. I still believe that this election would have had a different outcome if the Democratic Party would have had a better candidate. John F. Kerry truly did not seem to know where he stood or what he believed. On several occasions I heard him be adimate about one thing or another, and then the next time I heard him speak he was saying the opposite. It doesn't matter that Bush won, it wouldn't have mattered if Kerry won, what matters is that we are all Americans who should support whomever is in that leadership position. It doesn't do anybody any good to whine and complain after the fact. What's done is done, and we all have to live with it. Regardless of how much you wanted to go the other way. Who knows Bush may have learned a little bit over these last few months, and he may implement some new things that all of you Democrats can agree with. We never know. But for crying out loud stop arguing over this election. Votes are all in...we can't go back and change our vote so deal!

    11.03.04 - 10:13 AM
  • 317. Sheryl said:

    Wow,
    Thanks -
    But George W Bush thinks that abortion should not be legal in any situation and said so in two of the debates.

    He has the potential (depending on circumstances) to recommend replacements for up to 3 of the Supreme Court justices.

    11.03.04 - 10:14 AM
  • 318. bonehead said:

    Whether or not he's kicked the habit, once a cokehead, always a cokehead.

    11.03.04 - 10:15 AM
  • 319. Danika said:

    I'm sorry Bush won. Not just sorry for you US citizens. I'm sorry for what it means for the world. You can sit there and say it isn't my business all you want but you know what it DOES effect the world. Like it or hate it US is a major power in the world and its economy and its WARS effect the rest of the world.

    Quit telling me I have no business being sorry that Bush won. Or wishing that I had a say. Remember that the rest of the world (appears) to lean toward Kerry and also remember that we get more 'unbiased' news. We get less 'polished by the US government' news. Remember that your government often supresses things it doesn't want the people there to know.

    I can only hope that Bush being re-elected won't be as bad as people think. I can only cross my fingers and hope that the things he does doesn't negatively effect MY country. Now tell me I have no right to judge the outcome of your election.

    11.03.04 - 10:16 AM
  • 320. chris said:

    Amanda - I'm not trying to make a villain out of you. I saw that you had agreed with Nick. I addressed the comment to you both. I was a comment not filled with anger or melodrama, but rather - I think - made a succinct point. I'm sorry that I called you out - they weren't your words, per se. But I saw that you had agreed with them.

    11.03.04 - 10:16 AM
  • 321. ab said:

    Can't we all just get along?

    11.03.04 - 10:16 AM
  • 322. Vic said:

    Back to the photo, briefly: 'propsed' new law? Erm, do laws have to be spelled correctly to be law?

    11.03.04 - 10:17 AM
  • 323. Melissa said:

    okay...just a comment on all the Roe V Wade "stuff"...prior to Roe V Wade being made law...abortion was legal in cases of rape, incest, and harm to the mother. What wasn't legal was abortion as birth control.

    11.03.04 - 10:19 AM
  • 324. Amanda B. said:

    You interpreted for me. The words you used were not those used by Nick. I agree with the point you made. And I agree with what Nick said. Saying that there is a general lack of respect for America and feeling upset about that does not discount the suffering in other countries.

    You interpreted it that way. Which is fine. But then you launched an attack based on that interpretation, and not on what was actually said. That is what I did not appreciate. That is called propaganda. Once again, your interpretation, in no way, shape or form reflects my views.

    11.03.04 - 10:26 AM
  • 325. Canadian said:

    All I was trying to say is that people are always going to have abortions. Whether you think it's right or wrong I think it's better that they happen with DOCTORS. Abstinence is a pipe dream.

    11.03.04 - 10:29 AM
  • 326. Aimée said:

    Hey- I just watched the first two episodes of BBC's "The Power of Nightmares"... I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend keeping your eyes out for it- it's EXCELLENT!!! There are three parts, the third being shown on BBC tonight... I can't wait to see it. It makes the whole "terror" thing VERY clear. WELL done! Thanks BBC.

    11.03.04 - 10:31 AM
  • 327. HRT said:

    Hey just because people are "always going to have abortions" FAR from makes it right. People are ALWAYS going to steal, people are ALWAYS going to murder, that stuff is wrong too.

    I'm just saying.

    11.03.04 - 10:32 AM
  • 328. patricia hannigan said:

    Well that's just plain wrong. Abortion being "legal in cases of rape or incest" Hey Christians explain this to me: How is the life of a child somehow disposible if he/she is concieved by rape/incest and not disposible if he/she is concieved by a woman willingly having sex with someone who's not related to her? Early stage abortion should be legal for any case of an unwanted pregnancy...or it should be illegal across the board.

    11.03.04 - 10:33 AM
  • 329. Canadian said:

    Right or wrong I don't think they deserve to go to some scary ass guy under horrible conditions. Abortion is a horrible thing, but it's going to happen.

    11.03.04 - 10:34 AM
  • 330. Eddo said:

    I voted for Bush because he is against abortion. I want him to veto Roe v. Wade. Since Roe v. Wade over 45 million children have been aborted. I am pro-choice, I just think the choice begins before the pregnancy occurs. Why should the child pay because you are too stupid to practice safe sex? Religious or not, I think it is frightening how irresponsible we are as a people as a whole and we expect the government to swoop in and fix all our problems. People act like President Bush has made all these decisions incorrectly and that he is a raving lunatic, I just don't get what is so much better about Kerry. Every President goes into office thinking that he can change the world and the reality just isn't so- President Bush has had to deal with 9/11 and a sinking Economy and that Economy was sinking when he took office. How quickly we forget- it could have been President Gore which is laughable. I bet the majority of the people that read this site, which I love, and Dooce I love you too, but I have a feeling that most of you believe in Evolution or the Big Bang theory, that there is no moral absolute, that there is no God, and that somehow we just came to be, and that we shouldn't reach out a helping hand to other countries, and we should sit idly by and let everyone fend for themselves. Perhaps, you can change my mind? So far, no one has really given me a good argument as to why I should vote for Kerry. So tell me, what are your reasons?

    11.03.04 - 10:36 AM
  • 331. Nikki said:

    Canada's looking pretty good, but I think I'll stay here and fight.

    11.03.04 - 10:36 AM
  • 332. chris said:

    (Nick, I apologize for keeping you involved in this.)

    Okay, Amanda. What Nick said was - "you have no idea what it's like..." Yes, I interpretted that in my way. But your insistence that I launches an attack, that it was propoganda - that doesn't sit with me. Because the tone was neither attacking or propagandish. The tone was - let's not put ourselves at the top of the global food chain.

    Please, I haven't been attacking anyone. I used your name, as a way of communication. That's all there was to it...

    11.03.04 - 10:37 AM
  • 333. isma said:

    "But I’ll still be living in the US and will still have my right to vote when that day comes. At least we can speak our minds here and I say to that, GOD BLESS AMERICA!"
    Another propaganda-induced american assumption: America is the only place where you can vote and express freely. You'd be actually surprised to know that there ARE countries where not only those things exists, but they are taken much more seriously and to (much) greater extent. I don't think it's needed to add that America has for years supressed those in many parts of the world (Bush just made it worst).
    While living in Europe last year just before Iraq, I heard an american girl complain that people there found most of americans idiotic just because some senseless president. Now that most of americans have re-elected the same president, it's hard to think otherwise. I live in South America now, and the common perception is the same as in Europe. What's wrong with the american people? Are they not getting the same information we are? In case of doing so, don't they care?

    11.03.04 - 10:37 AM
  • 334. fli said:

    Danika,

    The statement that international news is somehow 'unbiased' or 'less biased' is highly suspect. Many european/middle eastern news outlets are state sponsored, no?

    I have worked at an outlet here in the US for rebroadcasting international newcasts direct and uneditted (by us) and they are far from unbiased. You would be no less ignorant for not recognizing this than any US citizen who does not recognize the inherent bias, and conflict of interest represented by mass media here.

    11.03.04 - 10:40 AM
  • 335. Amanda B. said:

    Ok- then no harm no foul, eh? High five! :)

    11.03.04 - 10:41 AM
  • 336. jelene said:

    George looks like Jack Osbourne's twin brother. Nice Chuck a$$ shot George.

    11.03.04 - 10:42 AM
  • 337. nick said:

    Chris and Amanda - rock on. i like reading you.

    Danika - why do you think your news is more objective than ours? that's a little naive. all i'm saying (and i'm NOT diminishing the suffering of others. are you kidding? we've got it made here.) is that people who aren't american don't know how certain things are here. that's all. judge all you want, danika. i'm used to it.

    eddo- i think you must have the biggest pair of kahunas ever.

    11.03.04 - 10:45 AM
  • 338. popsicle said:

    there sure is alot of bantor here about some of you wanting to leave the country. for those of you that are serious, GO FOR IT!, GOOD LUCK!, and GET LOST!. there is certainly noone stopping you. maybe we'll catch up another day. AND, for the all the shit everything thinks the united states is guilty of, we sure do alot of good things too. maybe we should contemplate reading up on those topics a little too. bon voyage. god bless america, and maybe now more than ever. peace.

    11.03.04 - 10:51 AM
  • 339. isma said:

    So, Eddo, this is off-topic, but you can maybe give a plausible argument against evolution, for instance. One that doesn't involve "we came to be because God wanted it that way". That sounds just as errand and arbitrary to me.And yes, I for one think that there is no God and specially no moral absolute, but I do believe in people and their right to live their lives as they want as long as they don't interfere with other's lives.
    Tolerance is a tricky word, Tolerance means to tolerate something that you think is wrong. That's wrong. If you think something's wrong, fight it (peacefully). The point is understanding there's nothing wrong with gay marriage, for instance, but everything's wrong about invading other countries and killing thousends for no good reason. That's wrong and the world should not "tolerate" it.

    11.03.04 - 10:53 AM
  • 340. Kellie said:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm

    Hope you like the color red...

    11.03.04 - 10:53 AM
  • 341. Nick said:

    Amen, popsicle!!

    (I think that'll be my new mantra.)

    Amen, popsicle.

    11.03.04 - 10:59 AM
  • 342. donnaly said:

    Eddo
    If you think that practicing safe sex is such a great idea how can you support a government ties up international aid with NOT telling people about using birth control? And let's make sure we don't tell our children about it in school because if we don't tell them, they won't have sex at all! Right

    11.03.04 - 11:03 AM
  • 343. Ingrid said:

    As a Canadian, watching these election results has been like watching a friend in a desctructive relationship who is still in denial.

    11.03.04 - 11:03 AM
  • 344. Erin said:

    You said it Ingrid!!

    11.03.04 - 11:05 AM
  • 345. Karen said:

    they are mesing with GH

    11.03.04 - 11:13 AM
  • 346. Mike M said:

    For those who are happy that the Christian moral values are becoming the law of the land, imagine how you would feel if Muslim moral values were becoming the law of the land.

    People are responsible for their own morality. I don't vote for a politician to define that morality for me and enact it into law.

    Bush won. I'm disappointed and will keep fighting for change. I thank those who don't want to send my partner and me to Siberia because we want a legal relationship.

    11.03.04 - 11:13 AM
  • 347. Friday said:

    HRT et al - the reason you should care about the rights and equality of everyone is because it is in your own best interest to do so. Equality ensures that some extremist majority is not going to come along and rob you of YOUR rights and freedoms some day. Rights to practice your religion, to vote for your Republican representative, or whatever you evidently hold dear.

    Word from Canada to blue USA - terribly sorry, and we're thinking of you.

    11.03.04 - 11:14 AM
  • 348. PJ said:

    This sure puts the 'W' in WTF.

    11.03.04 - 11:18 AM
  • 349. Kahli said:

    ...as Kerry said as I wept (really, what is up with me?!): the best part is that we all woke up in America, as Americans.

    That is beautiful, (as I listen to the 3rd Reich on NPR screaming: "4 more years!")that is beautiful. In four more years, we get to do this all agian, hope can't die and we can't all defect. Who is going to change things if we all leave?
    What if women just left and went back to the kitchen, what if black people rolled over and said "um, thanks for emancipation, um er, 200 years, um wait.. whay can't I put my kids in school?"

    We have to stay and talk to each other and make changes at home and convince people who don't like abortion to raise their children so they won't get one but to vote for a president who will keep us safe from issues beyond the scope of our kitchen table. We have to introduce our kids to lots of different people and invite the right-o's to our gay loving pervo barbeques so they can't dismiss us as the "liberals",we are their neighbors and damn good people.

    Please don't leave, please stay and help make this a place where people be themselves and proud and tolerant and we can implement change to make the world beautiful and healthy.

    If you are in Utah, please stay and help wrench control from the red barons. We have too much beautiful backdrop and too many great people to be represented solely by religuous, right wingers alone who do not value the open space we have in our back yard...
    We need everybody here, for the people by the people, please stay and help us.

    Thanks everybody, thanks Dooce for letting us have our little community here on your site. I woke up inspired yesterday and I hope to stay that way for sometime. Everyone, thank you for sharing your stories of triumph and struggle (Dooce shout out represent) I truly feel like I know a lot of you from my daily dose of Dooce, I am honored.

    Now, I just want to let everybody know that you will always be my Boo.
    xo

    11.03.04 - 11:18 AM
  • 350. Sandy said:

    Umm...rlk....I hate to point this out, but there are more people on earth than there used to be.

    John Kerry got more popular votes than any previous president in history also....so he's awesome under your logic too, right?

    11.03.04 - 11:19 AM
  • 351. krissy pants said:

    I think the myriad debates and discussions going on here are fantastic. Keep them up, not just here but in your homes, your communities, your country…I think you get what I’m saying. Chances are that in the next few weeks a great deal will be said about these issues…but we shouldn’t save our opinions and beliefs for election time. We need to remain vocal and visible, so that the people chosen to represent us can make our priorities their priorities.

    And for those of you willing to give up your freedom as an American citizen because you didn’t get your way…I have a hunch most of you are bluffing…but remember that you do have the choice to leave whenever you so choose. See! You have another choice...that is all yours to make. Good for you. And good for me, too.

    Can we now get back to the poopy, smooshieness that is Dooce?

    *Angie M………I like cheese, too.

    11.03.04 - 11:24 AM
  • 352. christy said:

    "For those who are happy that the Christian moral values are becoming the law of the land, imagine how you would feel if Muslim moral values were becoming the law of the land."

    Amen! Exactly what I was thinking.

    And to all the people flipping out because people say they are moving to Canada or whatever because of the election, I think people are exaggerating to make a point. I doubt you will see a mass exodus to foreign nations, so lay off the "good riddance" bullshit.

    11.03.04 - 11:31 AM
  • 353. Depressed in GA said:

    So,we make the elections into a reality TV show called "Who wants to be the next American President" debuting the summer prior to the 2008 elections, and rerun it in the fall. We pick six candidates and make them live together for four months, throw in a little alcohol, a hot tub, and find out who reverts to their drug and alcohol addicted frat boy antics. (my guess is that Nader would actually come out on top). At the end of it, we call in our votes (one per household please) and then have the winner announced on an awards style show during prime time. Talk about ending problems with voter turnout. I'll bet more people voted for the next American Idol.
    If my reality show doesn't fly, we ban the words "values and morals" from the next election. Obviously, just being able to say them out loud can get you elected.
    In all seriousness, what we really MUST do now is find ways to live out our beliefs in our daily lives, because we have obviously reached a point where our government is not going to represent our interests. I am going to hug my baby girl and whisper a promise to recycle all of the cardboard we have been tossing away at my store. It's all I can really do.

    11.03.04 - 11:36 AM
  • 354. Brigitte said:

    If I could have voted, I would have voted for Kerry (green card here, taxation without representation!) I disagree with the majority of Bush's platform, and moreover I think he's a fool. That said, I don't think the future is as dire as many people seem to believe. This election galvanized people to vote! It made people really decide where they stood, even if it was on a single issue, then at least people were taking an interest in the democratic process. I consider that a step forward for the nation, even if I disagree with the majority of voters.

    I do however, disagree with the people who say that now we should all get behind the president. What's that all about? Don't people have a responsibility to keep behind their personal beliefs and fighting for what they think is the best way to run the country? I'm hopeful that the results of this election will prompt everyone, democrats and republicans to become involved with politics, at whatever level.

    And people that didn't vote for Bush: remember it's your country (and my husbands and children, and kind of mine-ish) not Bush's. He can't screw it up too much if we don't let him.

    11.03.04 - 11:39 AM
  • 355. JustMe said:

    Eddo,

    Here's my argument. My best friend and his wife were expecting a baby. She began experiencing heavy bleeding. She became seriously anemic. The bleeding just wouldn't stop. They had genetic testing done. The baby was so chromosomally malformed that it hadn't a chance in heck of surviving outside the womb for more than a few hours of intense, ungodly pain. If the mother attempted to carry the child to full term, she had a better than 80 percent chance of dying herself, leaving her husband without a wife and her 2 year old son without a mother.

    And yet they had less than 24 hours to make that decision, because one more day of gestation would have made that choice illegal in our state, despite the fact that carrying it would have killed her.

    *That's* why abortion should remain legal. Because what right do you have to tell her that she should die because she accidentally became pregnant with a baby that was going to kill her?

    11.03.04 - 11:40 AM
  • 356. Fish said:

    This discussion has all the dignity of a sixth grade name-calling argument: "You're an Assface!" "No, YOU'RE and Assface, Assface!"

    I'm surprised any of you people are even old enough to vote.

    11.03.04 - 11:45 AM
  • 357. LadyBug said:

    No, YOU'RE not old enough to vote, FISH!

    I'm so sorry. I couldn't resist.
    *Snicker*

    11.03.04 - 11:47 AM
  • 358. Mike M said:

    JustMe,

    I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't like abortion, but as a man (and a gay one at that), I don't feel it is appropriate for me to make that wrenching decision. The only thing I know to do is to try and keep that option available for those who may feel it necessary.

    My belief is simply that the US and various state constitutions should be interpreted as broadly as possible when considering personal liberties and as narrowly as possible when considering restrictions on those liberties.

    What a sad story you shared...

    11.03.04 - 11:49 AM
  • 359. come on said:

    Dear people who begin comments with the word "Ummm" and three dots: could ya sound any snottier?

    11.03.04 - 11:52 AM
  • 360. Daniel said:

    Ummm...I agree with "Come on."

    11.03.04 - 11:54 AM
  • 361. Kate said:

    i am not prepared for another four years of a leader whom the world does not respect; a man whom i do not respect. i am not prepared to have my homosexual friends, who are more in love and who believe in the sanctity of marriage moreso than 50% of our nation's heterosexual couples, denied the right to both marriage and civil unions. i am not prepared to let someone else dictate to me how i can or cannot make personal decisions: i believe in a woman's right to choice, especially under the conditions of rape. i not prepared to have med-mal cases capped, because let me tell you: you cannot understand until it happens to you. say you want caps now; but when your mother/father/brother/sister/daughter/son/best friend is killed by a surgeon or other doctor, and your life is changed forever, then YOU remember what administration you've supported. i am not prepared to have our country unilaterally controlled: think about it - the presidency, the senate, the house, and soon the supreme court. whatever happened to the balance of power
    are you prepared?

    i am sick to my stomach, and i have never felt so afraid for the future of our country. if i was not a student, i would apply to move out of the country immediately. the united states is in for a long four years, and i can only hope that our president will learn how to compromise and attempt to unify the nation... because currently, we are more polarized than ever.

    11.03.04 - 11:58 AM
  • 362. Karen said:

    Everyone repeat after me - HILLARY 2008

    11.03.04 - 12:03 PM
  • 363. Michael said:

    You all at least have the advantage of being far, far from the carnage.

    My office is in the Reagan Building in downtown D.C. and I had to go through two security screens just to get lunch in the food court because President Fraternity Boy was on his way over to gloat.

    I was sickened by all the 20-something bushies (male and female) strutting around with their special access badges.

    Anyone want to help me teach English in tuscany for four years? Lousy pay, great food and wine.

    11.03.04 - 12:04 PM
  • 364. Kate said:

    Michael, I'm in -

    11.03.04 - 12:09 PM
  • 365. Kimberly said:

    HRT:
    No, I'm not satisfied now. For one thing, that is the passive aggressive tactic of someone too chickenshit to have their ideas and opinions subjected to close scrutiny.

    So, God decided homosexuality was bad? Please tell me chapter and verse so I can look it up. Would it be the passage wherein the godly man sends his own wife out to be raped to death rather than relinquish the visiting "angels" to the mob? Or the one where he offers his daughters instead? Because those are more about host duties than homosexuality--if the angels had been women, same thing would've happened. And Sodom? What verse exactly says "I am destroying this city because there are gay men here"?

    Oh and as a Canadian, I can safely say to your statement " when the terrorists bomb you, can we be free not to defend you?" Absofuckinloutely. We do not want to be tainted with your brush in any shape or form. If your government hadn't been making threats to our security should we not fall in line with your defense priorities, it wouldn't even been an issue.

    It's people like you who make it all too easy to utter the phrase, "I hate Americans" in moments of frustration like this.

    PS: To all the sane, rational members of the Blurbodoocery, I do *not* hate *you* (Although I'm deeply frightened by your Republican cohort).

    11.03.04 - 12:12 PM
  • 366. Mike M said:

    Michael,

    Must be tough in DC. Wasn't the popular vote close to 90% for Kerry?

    11.03.04 - 12:12 PM
  • 367. popsicle said:

    christy-

    umm...there is some seriousness to some peep comment's about leaving, so my comment was to those people where it is more than just a passing fancy to even consider an exodus...SCRAM!

    nick, i like the amen popsicle. as a matter of fact, how bout a bizness venture? AMEN!POPSICLE! and just have the most delicious, scrumptous, delectable popsicles on earth. some that even have sugar, not the fake stuff..

    11.03.04 - 12:12 PM
  • 368. jenn said:

    michael-where do we sign up!

    11.03.04 - 12:14 PM
  • 369. Eddo said:

    Isma and others that responded to me, I respect your comments and more than that I appreciate the mature responses that I receieved.

    It saddens me Isma to think that you don't believe that there is a God. Perhaps I am a weaker person, but when I look into the eyes of the people that I love, when I feel scraped out and hollow inside because I have lost someone that I love, when I look at the beautiful eyes of a new born baby, when I see a sunset, I can't help but know in my heart that something out there greater than me, greater than this world created the universe. I can't sit back and think that just by chance that we have so much variety and diversity on this Earth. I can't look at the sun and just be amazed that somehow it is just far enough away from the Earth that we aren't all cooked alive.

    Why is it that we all have unique DNA? Why do we have different fingerprints? Why do we have unique voice tones? The list goes on and on, I believe it is because God made us special and unique. Psalm 139:13 For you created my inmost being;
    you knit me together in my mother's womb.
    14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
    your works are wonderful,
    I know that full well.
    15 My frame was not hidden from you
    when I was made in the secret place.
    When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
    16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
    All the days ordained for me
    were written in your book
    before one of them came to be.

    ............................

    To JustMe- Your argument is a good one, and in that case I believe that you should do what you feel is best. I don't stand here and think that I have all the answers, I don't. But I hate to see that we kill unborn children because it is an inconvenience to our perfect lives.

    Much Love.

    11.03.04 - 12:15 PM
  • 370. Erin said:

    Kimberly - the whole 'Canadian gov making threats to our security', thing, What do you mean? I'm seriously, not trying to be snotty here.

    11.03.04 - 12:15 PM
  • 371. Erin said:

    I Do seem to have a stutter.

    11.03.04 - 12:16 PM
  • 372. debutaunt said:

    Ummmm...

    Can we talk about poop yet people?

    - debu_snot

    11.03.04 - 12:20 PM
  • 373. JustMe said:

    Eddo - unfortunately, once you begin to erode the rights for some, you erode them for all. If you make it illegal unless someone's life is in danger, then you have to deal with who has the right to decide how endangered you are. Women who choose natural birth already are faced with hospitals attempting to get court orders to force caesarians. Is it not my choice whether to undergo life-threatening major abdominal surgery? It may be commonplace now, but there is always a risk of complications like reaction to anesthesia, bleeding to death, sepsis in the wounds... Should I not be able to judge the risk to my own health and safety? If my unborn child had more rights than I do, then I choose never to be in that situation. And there are those trying to take that decision away from me, too - under the current atmosphere, some pharmacists are nowing deciding it's against their morals to fill birth control prescriptions, and in one specific case, even refused to transfer the prescription to another pharmacy. So it's stacking up that 1) access to birth control is being limited, 2) access to abortion is being limited, and 3) women can be forced to be gutted against their will in favor of the unborn.

    This scares the living hell out of me.

    11.03.04 - 12:25 PM
  • 374. Irena said:

    Eddo,

    I truly hope that you don't think that we who believe in evolution and don't believe in God, or are willing to admit we're not so dang sure about the whole thing, think that life is a moral free-for-all. This is not so. Personally, I can accept that this entire universe might be the result of a long string of coincidences. This doesn't make me despair. If anything, the thought that life, the universe, and everything may not have ever happened, makes me appreciate life in its beautiful fragility all that much more.

    11.03.04 - 12:31 PM
  • 375. tonya said:

    I'd say the silver lining is that Leta will be able to wear her "Mommy Wants a New President" t-shirt for a couple more years (or as long as it fits!)

    11.03.04 - 12:32 PM
  • 376. catherine said:

    Let's all move to America Coastopia! >> http://www.xtcian.com/

    11.03.04 - 12:38 PM
  • 377. pissed said:

    we kill unborn children because it is an inconvenience to our perfect lives. <--- this is pro-life rhetoric bullshit. Do you really think that? "...an inconvenience to our perfect lives"

    everyone that has a perfect life please raise your hand...

    yea, that's EXACTLY the thought every woman has when she walks through the door of the abortion clinic, "..gosh, this is just so darn inconvenient in my perfect life"

    her body is her business, cuz, get this...YOUR body is YOUR business. Amazing how that works.

    11.03.04 - 12:50 PM
  • 378. Sue From Ohio said:

    Isma,

    My 'god bless america' comment was taken out of context but by calling it propaganda-induced, you may be right. hmmm, propaganda=opinion...induced=influence

    so basically, I was reading the forum and was 'induced' to share my 'propaganda' because of my strong feelings about people wanting to leave. hmmm, I guess that means every post here is propaganda-induced, right?! It makes sense to me but maybe that's because I'm an idiot.

    So since I'm American AND from Ohio does that make me a 'double-idiot'? I don't know, I'm an idiot....

    Have a good night all, I'm spent.......

    11.03.04 - 12:54 PM
  • 379. ben said:

    Popsicle,
    It's valid and understandable to anyone with a bit of empathy for a position other than your own that people are experiencing feelings of disappointment, anger, alienation, etc. caused by what is widely perceived by a good many Americans (and others around the world) as mass approval of an incompetent, uncompassionate, and criminal president.

    For many like myself, this election was a litmus test to see how ignorant, hateful, spiteful, misguided, and plain dumb Americans can be. To want to disassociate ourselves with these people is understandable. However, I agree. We should stay. The rest of the idiots need to go somewhere facism is universally fashionable.

    Unfortunately, we're all stuck here together. We're a deeply divided country. We aren't all going to hold hands and heal. We're going to figure out a way to regroup and eventually take back this country for decency, humanity, and intelligence. We're underdogs right now, but the ones with justice on our side usually are.

    No matter. We're patient.

    11.03.04 - 12:57 PM
  • 380. e said:

    we provide the right of choice not because we are in favor of the careless termination of fetal life, but because the alternative is much, much worse. To wrench that decision, (which you must realize, if you are honest, is not generally a careless one), from those whose bodies are in question, and hand it to an external party, is more dangerous than the alternative is distasteful. If you are so goddamed concerned with the right to life, I assure you that the collective death toll from AIDS far exceeds prevented fetal termination produced by your efforts.
    If you mean to save lives and not merely to advance your own social preferences, consider that.

    11.03.04 - 01:04 PM
  • 381. artgirl said:

    So I'm going to complain, whine and bitch my two cents for a moment. I'm not as mad as I am frightened that this has happened.

    When I woke up this morning and saw all the red, I was blown away. He got the popular vote?! Does no one care that we have so much unemployment? Does no one see the terror that he puts into everyone? Stem cell? Anyone? Anyone?
    I am freaked out. I'm not a vomiter, I'm more of a pooper. I heard on the radio...NPR that he is more relatable. He's for the blue collar...blah…blah…blah..

    I work in the public, let me tell you I have heard everything from ... “If you vote for Kerry- you better get your guns" to "I'm voting for Bush because he is Christian" to my coworker actually dancing around all 19 years of her exclaiming that she voted for Bush, "like because... um... like.. he's like against abortion and Kerry is like for it... and like.... he's not for Gays getting married and like... neither am I... cuz like... I'm super religious."

    11.03.04 - 01:05 PM
  • 382. laura said:

    From an Irish perspective:

    I have cousins who live in New Mexico, every time I meet them, they apologise for their president. The tell me they didn't vote for him. (him being Bush)

    59,017,382 voted for Bush.

    But I take heart that 55,435,808 people voted for Kerry. He only lost by one state. (current counts)

    I think now is the time to begin the battle for 2008. Get those votes back.

    I wish you luck. You should join the democrats and campaign for them!! Leta will be old enough to be your mascot by then. :-)

    The way I see it, 55,435,808 intelligent people voted for Kerry.

    There's hope in that!

    John Kerry is a nice man. Too nice to have to clean up Bush's shit!

    11.03.04 - 01:07 PM
  • 383. Beth said:

    Pass the Maker's Mark, please. I need some!

    11.03.04 - 01:08 PM
  • 384. Jeff said:

    Osama bin Laden would be proud.

    11.03.04 - 01:08 PM
  • 385. Shannon said:

    If you are bummed because Bush won, try living in Utah and being bummed that Bush won. It's like living in a sea of red (70% for Bush) and not knowing why the hell you stick around if no one likes your kind here anyway.

    And the whole Amendment 3 thing--the most monstrous single piece of legislation I have ever voted against--is now going to be a part of our state constitution. I am having a hard time seeing what is worth sticking around and fighting for.

    But, maybe that's because I live in Utah.

    11.03.04 - 01:08 PM
  • 386. Emily said:

    Rome wasn't built in a day. This is a loss, but not a defeat

    11.03.04 - 01:14 PM
  • 387. Raabaliciousness said:

    Here's how my glass is half-full:

    John Kerry is still my senator! :)
    Obama! (Not Osama!)
    New Hampshire turned blue!

    I'd be lying if I wasn't shitting myself about the supreme court appointees over the next four years...but I'm not ready to come to Canada.

    But in case there is a draft, I do know the Canadian national anthem and some French. There are some countries that allow freedom of speech that don't force you to kill people (in Iraq) that have done nothing to you (9/11).

    11.03.04 - 01:14 PM
  • 388. Mike M said:

    The one bright side: Some predict the next few years will see an economic crash approaching the depression. That could open up the door for a Democratic victory in 2008.

    Of course, they also said heavy turnout would favor Kerry, that all the newly-registered voters would favor Kerry, yada yada yada...

    How many days until the 2008 election?

    11.03.04 - 01:15 PM
  • 389. Michelle in Australia said:

    When our Prime Minister Bonsai (Little Bush) was re-elected, I thought of moving country. Canada perhaps. Or New Zealand. But now your fellow is back in on on the other side of the pond, I'm thinking of moving planet.

    Anyone wanna join me?

    11.03.04 - 01:15 PM
  • 390. Kellie said:

    "The one bright side: Some predict the next few years will see an economic crash approaching the depression. That could open up the door for a Democratic victory in 2008."

    Oh that's nice. Cross your fingers for the demise of the American economy for a Democratic victory. Classy.

    11.03.04 - 01:18 PM
  • 391. DeAnn said:

    They all passed, but I have to believe this is the backlash before the end. And that, in 10 to 20 years, the majority of voters in this country will support same-sex marriage. Most people in their 20s seem to. As do kids. Kids are our future. Let's please hope they don't change.

    11.03.04 - 01:19 PM
  • 392. Hillary said:

    Dear Pissed,
    I believe that what was meant by the "inconveniance to our perfect lives" comment is that women VERY rarely choose to have abortions b/c of health threats to the mother or the child. In fact, those types of cases ( along with rape and incest cases) make up about 1% of the abortions performed in our nation each year. I believe Eddo is trying to explain that most (although not all) women who choose to have abortions do so b/c they are ariaid of the repurcussions of delivering the baby full term. These repurcussions may or may not include financial problems, embarassment at being pregnant out of wedlock or being "too" old/young to have a child. But ultimately I agree with Eddo. The reasons for abortions generally do not have anything to do with the child, rather they have to do with the problems the mother may face after giving birth to the child.

    My mantra is and will always be: If you cannot take care of the child that may be produced in the act, then you should not take part in sexual intercourse.

    Yes, I practice this mantra by choosing to not be sexually active b/c I am not married and do not have the financial means to support a child on my own.

    11.03.04 - 01:24 PM
  • 393. Erin said:

    Kellie - it was a joke. Lighten up!

    11.03.04 - 01:24 PM
  • 394. Mike M said:

    It was sarcasm...didn't you see the part where I pointed out all the other things they said that didn't turn out quite as predicted?

    Sorry...forgot to put the ASCII-art in my post.

    11.03.04 - 01:29 PM
  • 395. Mike M said:

    One of the things that is striking in this country is the difference between the urban areas and the suburban and rural areas. You could pull up nearly any state electoral map on CNN.com and locate the large cities---they were nearly all blue. The rest is red.

    I grew up in a small town but always felt like a fish out of water. Once I got a chance to experience city living and diversity, I felt more at home.

    Happy to live in a very blue part of a blue state...

    11.03.04 - 01:33 PM
  • 396. CDNRXBY said:

    I just have to say as a Canadian (who's also gay) I've never understood the state of things in America. It's a beautiful country with some very ugly people. I'm not talking in a physical sense either! Many GOP supporters are "Born-Again" Christians... why then do they not practice the teachings of the book they so ademantly force on the 60% of Americans who DON'T profess to be "Saved"? And why don't more "unsaved" Americans stand up and be counted? I work for a Christian radio station (not a great idea when you're GAY! :-D) and most of the shows we play are from the USA. They ALL perceive that the Liberals run EVERYTHING... HOW THE HELL (sorry for the pun) DID BUSH GET BACK IN OFFICE IF EVERYTHING HAS BEEN "HI-JACKED" BY LIBERALS? Maybe it SHOULD be. I profess to Christianity (God doesn't hate gays but his PEOPLE seem to!) however, I do NOT force it on people who don't want it!

    I understand why something like Prop 3 could pass in a State like Utah. However, it should never pass in more DEM-strong states like California provided the people speak-up. I know what it's like to be told you're going to hell for standing up for what you believe in but AMERICA IS YOUR COUNTRY TOO! All I can do as a resident of your Northern Neighbour is invite you to come live here. Maybe if there were more people here in Canada it wouldn't be as cold! :-D

    God help America, she needs it right now.
    J in TO

    11.03.04 - 01:34 PM
  • 397. GMM said:

    I am Canadian, and I watched this election closer than I watch ours. I am so, so disappointed. Everyone I know wanted anyone but Bush and his "terror" speeches and propaganda for another 4 years. And gay people SHOULD fully be allowed to get married. Close-minded people disgust me.

    11.03.04 - 01:38 PM
  • 398. Mike M said:

    <>

    California adopted prop 22 several years ago. ALthough it was not a consitutional amendment, it added text to the Family Code which states that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

    So yes, it can happen even in a Democratic leaning state. Only San Francisco and five nearby counties voted against this law.

    11.03.04 - 01:40 PM
  • 399. Sheryl said:

    Mike M,
    (I posted this last night but thought it was an appropriate response to your post about rural vs. urban).

    One thing about the Electoral College that I think hasn’t been mentioned here is that individuals in the states with lower populations have more voting power. In some states it takes 9 votes to win one electoral college vote, in others it takes 900,000 votes to equal one electoral college vote.

    The system tries to make sure representation is not skewed in favor of what the city populations want, but ends up skewing toward what the rural populations want.

    11.03.04 - 01:40 PM
  • 400. Heather Jackson said:

    kak·is·toc·ra·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kk-stkr-s, käk-)
    n. pl. kak·is·toc·ra·cies
    Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.

    this is a real world and we are really living it.

    for a good laugh rent the "best of will ferrell" it has the cowbell sketch.

    11.03.04 - 01:40 PM
  • 401. CDNRXBY said:

    I just have to say as a Canadian (who's also gay) I've never understood the state of things in America. It's a beautiful country with some very ugly people. I'm not talking in a physical sense either! Many GOP supporters are "Born-Again" Christians... why then do they not practice the teachings of the book they so ademantly force on the 60% of Americans who DON'T profess to be "Saved"? And why don't more "unsaved" Americans stand up and be counted? I work for a Christian radio station (not a great idea when you're GAY! :-D ) and most of the shows we play are from the USA. They ALL perceive that the Liberals run EVERYTHING... HOW THE HELL (sorry for the pun) DID BUSH GET BACK IN OFFICE IF EVERYTHING HAS BEEN "HI-JACKED" BY LIBERALS? Maybe it SHOULD be. I profess to Christianity (God doesn't hate gays but his PEOPLE seem to!) however, I do NOT force it on people who don't want it!

    I understand why something like Prop 3 could pass in a State like Utah. However, it should never pass in more DEM-strong states like California provided the people speak-up. I know what it's like to be told you're going to hell for standing up for what you believe in but AMERICA IS YOUR COUNTRY TOO! All I can do as a resident of your Northern neighbour is invite you to come live here. Maybe if there were more people here in Canada it wouldn't be as cold!

    God help America, she needs it right now! :-(
    J in TO

    11.03.04 - 01:41 PM
  • 402. Sheryl said:

    Eddo,
    I don't have a problem with us reaching out a helping hand to other countries.

    But I don't think it is right to pick and choose the way we do. Saddam Hussein wasn't necessarily worse than other rulers who have raped, tortured and imprisoned their own for many years. For example, Hussein's actions did not affect the lives of the people in the US more than the Colombian rulers' did and still do (number one export: cocaine). There was a lot more money to be made in Iraq as we've already maximized the exports from Colombia anyway.

    The Republican Party seems to flip-flop or hold contradictory views.

    Regarding governmental control vs. individual freedoms. They say as you did that liberals and Democrats want the government to sweep in and fix things. At the same time, Republicans seem to want the government to maintain control of the things that the government is already controlling in ways they like (abortion, marriage). But they want the government to stay out of the things they want to control themselves (guns).

    I voted for Kerry because I felt that he represented the values I feel strongly about - cooperative/responsible foreign policy, freedom for people to make their own choices about their bodies and how they live their lives with their families, rights of workers, fair policies for the greater group. I voted for Kerry because he is able to see and admit there is complexity in the issues.

    Will Bush encourage his own daughters to join the military and fight in Iraq? If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, will Bush support the prosecution of rich white people who can have abortions because they have enough money to bribe doctors to do so?

    11.03.04 - 01:42 PM
  • 403. Washingtonienne said:

    "Why is it that we all have unique DNA? Why do we have different fingerprints? Why do we have unique voice tones? The list goes on and on, I believe it is because God made us special and unique"

    Pathetic. Trees also have unique DNA. Do we love each and every one of them or do we kill them without a thought? What makes people different from trees? God? Nope. God would have equal reverence for the trees. Gonna have to come up with a better argument than that before I support anti-abortion laws.

    11.03.04 - 01:43 PM
  • 404. Cristina said:

    How does Jon feel about you pursuing Dick Cheney?

    11.03.04 - 01:44 PM
  • 405. Mike M said:

    Sheryl,

    That is a good point. There is a mistake in your figures: the smallest state by population is Wyoming, where Bush got 167,000 votes to Kerry's 70,000. So it works out that it takes about 40,000 votes per electoral vote (40,000 times 3 = 120,000 out of 237,000 votes cast, enough to win the state).

    Compare that to California, where it takes about 90,000 votes per electoral vote.

    There were just under 10 million votes cast for President in California, which had an estimated population of 33.8 million in the 2000 census.

    11.03.04 - 01:47 PM
  • 406. Regan said:

    yeah. Georgia did the same thing. I hate living here sometimes.

    And thank you. THANK YOU for the mental image of DICK CHENEY POOPING!!!!!

    I need to rinse my brain out with tequila for that one...

    11.03.04 - 01:51 PM
  • 407. Manuel said:

    Drinking all the time is good. Gay marriage is fine. Whining works.

    I love this site. It's cool.

    11.03.04 - 01:58 PM
  • 408. JustMe said:

    In honor of Bush's win, after I got home from work, I made a donation to Planned Parenthood. Care to join me?

    11.03.04 - 01:59 PM
  • 409. Kate said:

    How do you get a nation of people who can afford no better than Walmart to empathize and even fight to the death for the concerns of the rich? Enquiring minds wanna know -- if people here are so television-rapt and non-critical, than I am next to try rule their little worlds bwa hahahahahha

    11.03.04 - 01:59 PM
  • 410. faith said:

    Lets just add it up now: Bush won, Howard (in Australia) won, van Gogh (an asshole but one whose right to be an outspoeken asshole I will defend to my dying day) was shot dead while cycling though the streets of Amsterdam, everyone is scared, and acting scared and reacting to being scared.......and I was just looking forward to having fun with my brand new baby boy! Damn!
    (OK, he's a year now but the novelty hasn't worn off!)

    11.03.04 - 02:02 PM
  • 411. chris said:

    Funny thing about all these gay marriage amendments:

    In 1992, Colorado was the first state to pass such an amendment to a state constitution, with a 54% majority (as I recall). The backlash on the state was immense, with people across the country encouraging a boycott of the state. We were even referred to as the "hate state."

    In fairly short order, the amendment was determined unconstitutional - thankfully. And we've seen nothing like it since.

    After the backlash that we saw, it's amazing to me that 11 states had similar amendments on the ballot this year. Eleven?! And where are the people who 12 years ago thought this was evil and terrible and hate-filled? Where's the call to boycott these 11 states?

    Has this nation really gone as far to the religious right in these 12 years? Because I haven't been privy to that. I've thought we were better educated, more tolerant. But it looks like I've been living behind a screen. Because otherwise, how could this have happened?

    You know the irony? 12 years ago, Utah was probably licking their chops at Colorado's boycott and "hate state"edness- because they got much of our skier visits and, hence, tourism dollars. Yeah, can we have those back now?

    11.03.04 - 02:05 PM
  • 412. Sheryl said:

    Mike M
    Yeah I was totally exaggerating.(no sarcasm)

    But it takes more than 90,000 to get one electoral vote in California. It took 92,084. lol

    "Wyoming, with a voting age population of 370,000, has three electors. California, with a voting age population of 24.4 million, 66 times bigger than Wyoming’s, has 55 electors, only 18 times as many electors as Wyoming has."

    Imagine if everyone in California of voting age did vote - The power of the individual becomes even more watered down! 24.4 million divided by 55 calculates to - 443,636 votes required to get one electoral vote.

    SEE, we really need all of you in places like Wyoming and Utah to keep voting!!

    11.03.04 - 02:06 PM
  • 413. Denise said:

    The fact that the main "concern" of voters in this election was MORAL VALUES is pretty damn scary to me. This re-elected adminsitration is going to enjoy having the opportunity to impose thir "MORAL VALUES" on the country for another 4 years...but this time with a scarier Republican congress.

    11.03.04 - 02:06 PM
  • 414. Jen said:

    Let's just make sure we don't do what NPR is predicting: create a circular firing squad amongst democrats. Let's get our collective shit together and strengthen this party.

    11.03.04 - 02:08 PM
  • 415. Sheryl said:

    Right on, Denise - I think they meant "Conservative Traditions" and not moral values. I don't consider the belief in a Christian God to be a moral value. I do consider honesty and treating others with the respect a moral value. But maybe I am just a bleeding effing liberal anarchist. I expect people to be humane to one another.

    Regarding "moral values". What is of high moral value about challenging a person's right to vote in a state where you are afraid your party is going to lose? I would like an accounting of the people who were challenged coming to the polls in Ohio. Looking up their registration status and turning them away on any technicality. If your driver's license is expired, even if all of the information is correct, you could be stopped from voting. If you have moved since you registered, and don't update your driver's license or your registration, you could be turned away. Were the people who were stopped white, of color, middle class, working class, working poor? Challenging others' right to vote based on feeling threatened that you might lose, challenging others' rights to vote and saying you are doing it to "prevent voter fraud" is not a moral or Democratic thing to do, it is a demagogic thing to do.

    I was so angry about this, I thought it would have been interesting to challenge the wealthy and the white as they came to the polls. Did they all *remember to change their voting registration address to match the address of the new house they bought*?

    My best friend's husband is a stay-at-home Dad. He received five calls during the past 10 days from (we assume) Republicans. One person impersonating the Chief of Police for their town, saying that if he had any arrest warrants that he would be arrested at the polling booth, prior to voting. (He has never been arrested.) One person saying (a recording) that the polls were so crowded they were asking Republicans to vote on Nov 2 and Democrats to wait until Nov 3 (!)

    I thought respecting freedom and the right of others' to exercise their vote would be a moral value. But I guess not.

    11.03.04 - 02:14 PM
  • 416. Kath said:

    Hey Heather -

    Would you mind posting some Chuck pix sometime soon? Please?? Might make some of us Chuck-o-philes feel better.

    Thanks,
    Broken Hearted in So FL

    11.03.04 - 02:15 PM
  • 417. Emily said:

    This defeated attitude surprises me. A lot.

    Today, I am at peace. I choose to be at peace.

    The truth is that neither presidential candidate fit the bill, to a tee, for me. But you know, I voted. I GOT TO VOTE. They let me, the little housewife. I don't own property, I don't volunteer or work for any cause. I sit at home and do work that someone else could do. Laundry and Vacuuming never changed the world, but I still got to vote. And I recognize that not too long ago, there were women like me who spoke out and stood up, and those women changed my future. And I am lucky to live in this country, where people fought so that I wouldn't have to fight. And so that I can fight for my own cause, when I find it.

    The peace that I feel can't be taken away or even chaged based on politics. Because I am so much more than that. I am bigger and mightier. I'm a "Mommy", a "Sweetie" and a "Sissy." And I have two kitties who sit by my feet when I write in my livejournal. I have cool friends, I laugh daily, I'm creative. George Bush, John Kerry, Santa Claus, whoever. No one can change Me.

    Favorable outcome of the election, unfavorable . . . whatever. I'm not complacent. I'm honest, I'm faithful and I'm not scared. I can't be and there is no reason to be. Fear itself will destroy me far sooner than that which I am afraid of.

    (from my LJ)

    11.03.04 - 02:23 PM
  • 418. Sally D said:

    I'm Canadian, and with embarrasment I confess I have never voted. I have never paid attention to politics. I have pled ignorance, and chosen not to complain.

    Never more have I taken interest and wanted to vote like I wanted in this election that was not even for the leader of my own country.

    Sad, sad day. You have my sympathies.

    11.03.04 - 02:26 PM
  • 419. Brooke said:

    Heather, the 9-month newsletter has just proved to me that despite our country is being run by George W Bush, a man many of us hate, that there is still love in the world.

    I hope I can be as good a mother as you when the time comes.

    11.03.04 - 02:29 PM
  • 420. HRT said:

    "In honor of Bush’s win, after I got home from work, I made a donation to Planned Parenthood. Care to join me?"

    PP was founded by one of the most racist women ever. I am deeply offended by that organization. Apart from the deep revulsion I have for the deaths of innocent lives.

    Notice I did not limit it to the innocent lives of the unborn. I mourn the loss of ALL innocent lives, both inside and outside of the womb.

    11.03.04 - 02:30 PM
  • 421. HRT said:

    "...despite our country is being run by George W Bush, a man many of us hate,..."

    I thought hate was not a 'family value' apparently hypocracy is.

    11.03.04 - 02:32 PM
  • 422. Moon said:

    What a sad, sad day. This country is wicked fucked. This is just the beginning of some really bad stuff. Maybe New England should break away and start a new country. Anyone wanna join in? It's really nice here (except for our Governor Mitt, but we don't pay too much attention to him anyway).

    11.03.04 - 02:35 PM
  • 423. andy said:

    HRT,

    I agree that Margaret Sanger had her head up her ass, but that doesn't mean that the organization she founded somehow encourages racism. In fact, they provide vital, necessary, and otherwise expensive health services to people who are not able to afford them--many of them are people of color. The logic of abhoring PP for its founder's beliefs makes about as much sense as abstaining from democracy because its founders were racist (which they were).

    We have a profound problem--the world just isn't going to be big enough for all of us. A planned parenthood--including the right to choose an abortion--is ironically vital to our survival as a species.

    11.03.04 - 02:38 PM
  • 424. Liisa said:

    The fact that the main “concern” of voters in this election was MORAL VALUES is pretty damn scary to me. This re-elected adminsitration is going to enjoy having the opportunity to impose their “MORAL VALUES” on the country for another 4 years…but this time with a scarier Republican congress.

    So right, Denise. I'm absolutely mortified at what is likely to happen in the next 4 years. This is a sad, sad day. I almost hope that things get even worse, so that there will be a bloody revolution so those of us that had hope 36 hours ago can say: 'Told ya' so'.
    Alright, I'm kidding about the last part. But, again, it's all we've got...levity.

    11.03.04 - 02:38 PM
  • 425. HRT said:

    Andy,

    I respectfully disagree. I know that our natural resources our being outstripped by the increasing numbers of humans on the planet. But human nature would suggest that today it's the unborn, the infirmed and the criminals. Tomorrow it's lefthanders, the toothless and the mentally challenged.

    11.03.04 - 02:41 PM
  • 426. JustMe said:

    HRT - Planned Parenthood is also one of the only groups in this country that provides healthcare to low-income women. It's not about abortion - it's about providing women (including many college students) with regular Pap smears, low cost birth control options to PREVENT abortions (now there's a thought!), prenatal care, and other services. It's bad enough that the current and continuing administration removed the requirement that health care providers for federal employees cover birth control prescription (yup, that radical idea of PREVENTING abortions by preventing pregnancy again...), but millions more people have fallen below the poverty line and can't afford healthcare. If my donation means that one woman can get early detection of cervical cancer, or another woman can find out how to care for herself while pregnant, or another can prevent an unwanted pregnancy, then I say, THANK GOD!

    11.03.04 - 02:45 PM
  • 427. leyla said:

    In response to this childish b.s. about john kerry "not knowing where he stands." look, anyone who is a major candidate for office is obviously a politician. politicans, practically by definition and essence, waver on issues. politicans mislead people. they obsess over polls and take money from special interests. duh.

    any president will have ADVISORS. it is practically, nearly irrevelant what kerry thought about the war last year because his advisors would have advised him on what to do in the future.

    what's this naive bs about "he changed his mind." oh no! that is what politicians DO.

    more than that, changing your mind is like saying "i may have been wrong." is that so terrible?
    is reflecting on thought, action, and position so offensive?

    it's like you Bush voters want your president to be a consistent ass and mumbling moron before a thinker and a reflecter.

    11.03.04 - 02:49 PM
  • 428. HRT said:

    I guess what I disagree with is the philosophy of PP. The philosophy that if a child is "unwanted" then it should be "dealt" with by any means necessary. I don't dispute that PP clinics can offer services other than abortion.

    However for someone who sees elective abortion as morally reprehensible, it is very difficult to separate the good from the bad. But I do see your point and I think that if PP were willing to offer their clients "full disclosure" about ALL of the options and ALL of the ramifications of the decisions the young women are making, then I would feel a little better. But heretofore PP has not been willing to offer legitimate adoption alternative counselors on-site. Nor offer full disclosure about the abortion proceedure and the likely longterm psychological effects abortion has on the surviving mother.

    11.03.04 - 02:53 PM
  • 429. D said:

    Ok you guys, let's suck it up and band together to get through these trying times. After all, we have LETA and what more does a person need? Her divine cuteness and yummy chubby cheeks are more than enough to cancel out the inherent evil of Dubya.

    By the way, can anyone tell me... do they drive on the same side of the road in Canada? Are your electrical outlets the same or are they all funky like in the UK? Just trying to plan ahead. Viva la Canada!

    11.03.04 - 02:53 PM
  • 430. andy said:

    " today it’s the unborn, the infirmed and the criminals. Tomorrow it’s lefthanders, the toothless and the mentally challenged"

    That's a logical fallacy known as a slippery slope. If this argument were true, why aren't we already getting rid of those annoying left-handed people?

    I say that only partly in jest. I can't argue the abortion issue. I believe in birth control. I never wanted children and so I got a vasectomy when I was 23. Problem solved. However, for others the problem is not so clearcut. That is the problem with legislating it. Laws don't tend to be very interested in the gray areas.

    Now, reading back over your posts, I also see you're a homophobe. Can't help you there. That's just screwed up. You can climb on a stack of Bibles top reason away that. It's just a fear, and fear is a weakness. Can you actually imagine Jesus Christ wanting his disciples to harbor fear of human beings whose only "crime" is to love someone of their own gender? If that's JC, then he doesn't deserve all the great press he gets.

    But you know, most fear is rooted in a lack of knowledge. Have you ever met a gay person? No doubt you have. You're probably even fairly close to one and don't know it.

    If you're concerned about having respect for all life, try it with the homosexuals too.

    11.03.04 - 02:57 PM
  • 431. Amber said:

    Can we seriously start talking about the Leta-ness of Leta now? She is really adorable and a much, much better thought than politics.

    I enjoy reading Heather's posts about her daughter because I am with child currently. I am so excited about being a mother and having a little baby around. I am glad that Heather finally got to the point where Leta started being cuter than ever.

    Children are such a wonderful joy, and I am glad that I am having a child when I am. Even though this nation is divided, my husband and I can still teach him about love, virtues, and beliefs. I want my child to understand and choose for himself, just as Heather wants for Leta.

    I know that many of you think that Americans are stupid, but please look past all of that crap. Many people believe many different things, and just because one group believes something different than the other does not mean that one group is stupid.

    I do realize that there are other countries than America that are "free", but I do not live in those countries, I live in America, and so that is what I care about. I am proud to be what I am, and I hope that the rest of us can be proud as well.

    Anyway, Heather, your daughter is absolute gorgeous and reading about her makes me smile. You make me very anxious to have my own, even though you have been through quite a lot.

    I can't wait to dress my little guy in a halloween costume and have him look at me like, "what the heck are you doing to me, woman? I'm not a bumble bee, I am a little baby boy. You see this face? This is the face of 'I am going to make sure my poopy is extra messy for you tonight.'"

    I am glad that you share those extra special moments with us, Heather, because they are so true.

    Love in Christ,
    Amber <><

    11.03.04 - 02:59 PM
  • 432. heathabee said:

    I've got to be PMSing.

    Because I cried when Bush won.

    Because I cried watching Oprah today and hearing the story about that ol' man that walked 18 miles to vote and then was turned away and then died before the next election.

    And I cried when I read the monthly newsletter.

    I am so happy that you are enjoying your precious daughter so much and that she is enjoying you and Jon just as much. I am so happy that you have photographic evidence of what a beautiful, lovely, precious baby she is and I am so thankful that you and Jon are determined to let her pick her own religion (if she decides to) and that you are such supportive, loving, attentive parents.

    Thanks for sharing those pictures with us! I love the ceasar hair-do! :)

    11.03.04 - 03:00 PM
  • 433. pammy said:

    the ten commandments google ads on the front page are a little.. creepy?

    hooray for leta. because i really needed smiling cuteness today. :)

    11.03.04 - 03:03 PM
  • 434. JustMe said:

    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about/thisispp/mission.html

    I have fortunately never needed the services of Planned Parenthood. I have known women who have. As far as whether they offer adoption counseling, do you know of anyone who has offered to do that for one of the clinics, free of charge so that money isn't taken away from the medical requirements, and in a kind, nonjudgemental way to women already terrified and hurting?

    Just curious. I've heard lots and lots of people condemn them, but no one ever seems willing to put their principles to work and get in there to help. It's easy to stand outside and pontificate on what's right and wrong, but to be in the situation and dealing with specific individuals, not some nebulous "those people," is a very different thing.

    11.03.04 - 03:06 PM
  • 435. Sarah said:

    Hillary in '08???

    11.03.04 - 03:10 PM
  • 436. Amber said:

    Andy,

    I'm a Christian, and I have to agree with you.

    From my standpoint, Jesus taught about love and tolerance. Not about hating everybody that sins. We all sin. For those of you who believe that homosexuality is a sin, then I have to argue that homosexuality is no greater of a sin than lying.

    I have known quite a few gay people in my life. My parents had at least 3 gay friends, one of which is now moving to Canada to get married. I had a lesbian teacher that recently got divorced to her husband of 20 years. She had a hard time dealing with that. I also have quite a few lesbian friends. To me, they were just as normal as I was.

    About the abortion issue, that is just such a tough topic to step on. I have had a few friends that have had abortions, either because their parents made them, or they said they weren't ready for a child (and these are teenagers). They all ended up with deep emotional scars. I bet that having an abortion must be terribly difficult. Terribly, terribly difficult. I just wish that my friends would have taken precaution in using protection. After all, clinics and schools were handing out this stuff for free in order to reduce the rate of pregnant teens. And my friends admitted that they had not taken any steps to avoid a pregnancy.

    11.03.04 - 03:22 PM
  • 437. AdamNYC said:

    I live in Manhattan and today was a bit like the wednesday after 9/11. There was a sort of mourning and a weird hush all over the city. It certainly seemed a bit more quiet than usual. The fear in the air, the uncertainty of what the future holds for us as a country. I agree with some of the other bloggers. We have to mobilize now for 2008. I have a feeling Jeb will be the republican nomination for the next race. Cheney won't have a chance if he decides to run, which he more than likely won't anyway. If Ma & Pa Bush do get their 2nd son ready however (he was supposed to be in his brothers seat at the moment) the zombies in the majority of middle america and the south will lap it up with glee and unfettering devotion. Do we really want to live under the Bush dynasty for decades? They (the Bushies) seem to think so. I will not have empathy for "the Sea of Red" when their children are taken from them and forced to fight a war that is not theirs and have them more than likely come backed maimed physically & psychologically or even in a body bag. I will however feel great sorrow for those poor kids. I will have no sorrow for them when they have to join the ranks of the already millions of people that have to stand in line in the unemployment office because their job was downsized or even sent overseas so their CEO can make an extra million or so that year. The CEO that is protected & adorned by the MONKEY they see fit to run the country. I won't know how to feel when their daughters end up in emergency rooms because they tried to perform their own abortion (for fear of what the poor girls parents will think of her being an unwed mother. or for that matter GASP! what the president will think)or even worse some quack that doesn't know how but is willing to do it illegally and thus completely destroying the lower half of her torso. Lastly I won't think twice on how at one point in their life they'll realize how sad it has been because they have never known the joy of what free thinking really is. Never know the joy of deductive reasoning. Never known the joy in being free in life. Never knowing how to stand up for yourself and to assert your concerns and REAL beliefs. I myself have thought of moving to Canada, but I'm willing to give this country one more chance. Yes, I was born here and have lived all my life here. The next 4 years are going to be hell on earth, make no mistake about it. They should be a catalyst for us REAL Americans to fight for our country, our liberties & our rights. Start thinking about 2008 now people. I know I will be. Every day until then.

    P.S. I am a gay man and I now am re-affirmed as to why I moved from MI 5 years ago. I can't even get into that whole thing. It scares the hell out of me more than anything else and I would be ranting forever.

    P.S.S. This is my first time blogging anything ever so please excuse the non-use of paragraphs. I was on a roll.

    11.03.04 - 03:27 PM
  • 438. Amber said:

    JustMe,

    I know here in Indiana we have places where women can go to get help, other than pp, when they are pregnant.

    They offer things like adoption help, medical help, and just general help for pregnant woman. They also offer counseling and support. It's all free.

    I understand what you are trying to say.

    I wish I had enough money to help out a bunch of people, but I myself am pregnant and not entirely financially stable. :-P

    11.03.04 - 03:28 PM
  • 439. Michael said:

    I cried reading todays monthly newsletter. Its probably the most beautiful thing I have ever read. If my mother wrote monthly newsletters, yearly newsletters, or even A letter for me, I'd be such a grateful person right now.

    11.03.04 - 03:30 PM
  • 440. IHateToast said:

    i wonder how jenna's liver is doing after the celebratory bender. and i'm waiting to read how the monosyllabic president dies of a stroke having his first deep thought while reading porn on the crapper.
    yale must be so proud.

    11.03.04 - 03:40 PM
  • 441. The Grey Area said:

    Yes, I have used Planned Parenthood for the last oh... 12 years or so. I have never once been pregnant. Unlike a friend of mine who "can't be bothered" with P.P. and had FOUR abortions in a matter of three years or so. I am against abortion. Here's why;

    I have an adopted 6 yr old sister who is phenominally beautiful and adorable, but who was born to a 43 woman with Cerebral Palsey, epilepsy & fits of rage & has the mentality of an 8 yr old. ALL the doctors insisted my sister would be born badly handicapped & mentally retarded due to the mom's age, condition, and massive prescription drug use. They insisted on an abortionas THE only wise option. The family said no, and my parents adopted this precious little girl at 3 lbs & 4 weeks old. While she's about 6 months - a year behind kids her age in size & mentality- (with every chance to catch up) she's all the proof I need that abortion is NOT to be taken lightly. I would never get one myself, but THANKS to the kind people at PP, there's never been a need to ever consider it. I'm an artist & I've never had insurance and could never have afforded the care on my own. While I believe a woman's right to choose should FIRST be to choose sexual protection, I would not shut down a clinic that also HELPS women avoid pregnancy, even though they also terminate as well. Nothing is so black & white.

    ALL that said, Emily #417- great comments. LOVED them.

    11.03.04 - 03:46 PM
  • 442. jules said:

    i challenge you to a girl cat fight for dick cheney.... the loser can have donald rumsfeld.....

    may god or the great pumpkin or whomever is watching... take care of us all

    11.03.04 - 03:49 PM
  • 443. tom said:

    http://www.buzzmachine.com/archives/2004_11_01.html#008331

    11.03.04 - 03:53 PM
  • 444. Chessy said:

    I just wanted to comment on the Leta cuteness. I love reading this site and I am, of course, a big fan of the babies of the Armstrong household. (We can't forget Chuck)

    Of course, my husband wants to figure out a way to block me from ever seeing the site again. lol I am batting my eyelashes at him as though he will bend to my will, and the Leta cuteness, and get me all knocked up. :)

    mmmmm......bbbbaaaaabbbbyyyyy....drool

    11.03.04 - 03:56 PM
  • 445. Darcie said:

    Mama Dooce,
    It sounds like you truly enjoy your daughter and are enriched by her presence in your life. I know you wondered if you'd ever feel that way--depression feels like a dark pit out of which you'll never find your way. She is a bright reflection of you, girlfriend. You're obviously a freakin' awesome mom--even when you don't feel like you are.

    11.03.04 - 03:58 PM
  • 446. fupissed said:

    And the baby's body is the baby's body. Right? So keep your mitts off.

    11.03.04 - 03:59 PM
  • 447. Heather said:

    Heather,

    I loved your monthly newsletter as always. Leta is absolutely adorable. I really hope everyone on here can put their emotions aside and get on with their lives. Let's start talking about poop and boobs and Chuck again. I think we could all use a break from the politics.

    11.03.04 - 03:59 PM
  • 448. Catherine said:

    I just laughed and cried in the space of about 5 seconds while reading Leta's monthly newsletter. Sure, maybe my PMS induced mood swings had something to do with that, but still... it was a simply beautiful letter, Leta is lucky to have such an awesome Mama.

    11.03.04 - 04:05 PM
  • 449. fupissed said:

    From Kerry:
    Earlier today I spoke to President Bush, and offered him and Laura our congratulations on their victory. We had a good conversation, and we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need, the desperate need, for unity for finding the common ground, coming together. Today, I hope that we can begin the healing.

    So here -- with a grateful heart, I leave this campaign with a prayer that has even greater meaning to me now that I've come to know our vast country so much better and that prayer is very simple: God bless America.

    From Bush:
    America has spoken. And I am humbled by the trust and confidence of my fellow citizens. With that trust comes a duty: I will serve all Americans, so help me God. I am proud to lead such an amazing country -- and I am proud to lead it forward.

    Reaching our goals will require the broad support of Americans. A new term is a new opportunity to reach out to the whole nation. We have one country, one Constitution, and one future that binds us all. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America.

    A campaign has ended, and our cause is renewed. The United States of America goes forward with confidence and faith. I can see a new day coming, and I am eager for the work ahead. God bless you all, and God bless America.

    From Me:
    God bless us one and all.

    11.03.04 - 04:18 PM
  • 450. katekite said:

    Gawsh, i'm post number FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY.

    everyone goes on and on about how leta looks just like jon... well, theres one part of you that she very obviously has: your intense stare.

    11.03.04 - 04:20 PM
  • 451. AR said:

    Another Canadian just posting to say that I'm about as depressed as 99% of the Americans I've spoken to today are. I keep looking at the calendar like, is it 1770 all of a sudden?

    What I don't understand about the gay marriage/abortion debates, or really any other debate pertaining to civil rights, is this: Does it not occur to people that regardless of their own personal opinions, by banning whatever you're looking to ban, they're taking away the civil rights of their fellow citizens about as effectively as Osama bin Laden and his fear tactics could ever hope to?

    Okay, so, you think the 'sanctity of marriage' (*cough*) is at stake. Fine. Don't marry someone who's the same gender as you. But how is eating into OTHER people's rights a good thing to do? What happened to that 'do unto others' shit that the Bible expouses?

    All I've figured out is the following: damn if I'm not going to vote when it's my turn (I'm 18), damn if I'm not going to drive the point home when it's my turn, and damn if I'm going to sit here and let the same kind of bullshit happen in my own country.

    11.03.04 - 04:26 PM
  • 452. Anne said:

    Bush, shmush. Kerry, shmerry.

    What I can't believe is that people have told you thumb-sucking is bad? As a mom of a preschooler with another on the way, I've been told repeatedly that thumb-sucking is preferential to "the nook." My kid has a nook. What's wrong with a nook? Can't we leave these kids alone? Like nooks and thumbs are what's going to hurt 'em.

    Leta's a real bunny. Cuuuuuute.

    11.03.04 - 04:30 PM
  • 453. Diana said:

    I admit it: for the first time ever, I was brought to tears by a monthly newsletter.

    11.03.04 - 04:45 PM
  • 454. Sheryl said:

    I remember reading in Child Development that the ability to use objects to soothe oneself is a sign of psychological health in children. Leta's got it together :)

    Can you imagine if we were able to do that as adults, handle our uncertainty and anxiety with just a thumb - and the effects were as benign as crooked teeth? No more alcoholism, drug abuse, etc.

    11.03.04 - 04:46 PM
  • 455. Michelle said:

    Being the 453 comment for this post I doubt you will get to reading it but that's ok. I have something much more important to say than anything about politics. LETA IS SO DAMN CUTE! She is ALMOST as cute as CHUCK. I love your monthly letters to her and I am sure she will cherish them forever when she is older. In case no one has told you lately...you are a great mom!

    11.03.04 - 04:47 PM
  • 456. jen said:

    wow. many comments.

    uhm... i dont have much to say other than that.

    i really was hoping for kerry.

    11.03.04 - 04:57 PM
  • 457. mr.jake said:

    Our condolences from Canada. We hope that the Draft is not on his agenda and if it is Canada's a great place to raise a family in peace.

    11.03.04 - 05:07 PM
  • 458. Kay said:

    I voted for Bush and I am not a conservative christian--nor do I personally know any conservative christians that voted for Bush. Do you really think that 51% of this country is made up of evangelical christians? C'mon, you've got to think harder than that. There is not a better country in the world to live in then the USA--no matter who is president. If you don't believe that you really should look for another country to call home--don't let the door slap your ass on the way out!

    11.03.04 - 05:11 PM
  • 459. diane said:

    I don't have the energy to read all these comments. Heather, I just wanted to let you know that when I read the section of the nine month newsletter when you talked about the election and how you want to raise Leta, I cried. It gives me hope that people like you and Jon have children to raise in this manner. THERE IS STILL HOPE.
    Bless you, bless you, bless you.

    11.03.04 - 05:20 PM
  • 460. Cristina said:

    I've cried twice today.
    Once when a co-worker related to me Kerry's concession speech and once reading your newsletter.

    Ok, I admit it. I always cry at the newsletter. She's such a lucky little girl to grow up with all that love.

    11.03.04 - 05:23 PM
  • 461. Bailey said:

    dear heather, this is totally unrelated to today's picture. I work at florist, and today we sent flowers to a HEATHER ARMSTRONG here in town. I did a double-take, hoping that it would be you. but nay. END ANECDOTE.

    11.03.04 - 05:50 PM
  • 462. Frances said:

    Becky said: "I don’t like reading the sorrowful warnings from those of you who are citizens of other countries. No offense, but we don’t need your pity. We could use some folks in other countries who like us, who aren’t polarizing the issues but like the big issues that we stand for: democracy, freedom, people who are willing to risk their lives for foreigners."

    wtf? We aren't democratic? We aren't free? We don't have justice workers to volunteer to go risk their lives to make peace or help the helpless?

    Who says you STAND FOR democracy and freedom? THIS is the arrogance that is so infuriating about Americans. Go out and buy a little worldview with your next Starbucks, baby.

    11.03.04 - 06:00 PM
  • 463. Marissa said:

    I LOVE what you say about raising Leta to understand and consider all religions.

    11.03.04 - 06:09 PM
  • 464. Ashley said:

    "Plus, war in Iraq, Osama still at large and God everywhere."

    God SHOULD be everywhere.

    11.03.04 - 06:26 PM
  • 465. robin said:

    Dooce, Seriously....I think it is so great what you do when you write monthly newsletters to Leta. She will soooo appreciate it when she gets older.

    Shoot, I appreciate it now, as a mom myself. Good stuff. :-)

    11.03.04 - 06:36 PM
  • 466. juli said:

    So do we stay here and work to fix it or do we ride the bus to Canada? I am heartbroken at the way the extremists have rallied and I can't think straight. Deep breaths. Maybe next year when I calm down I can formulate a rational plan to deal with this.

    11.03.04 - 06:37 PM
  • 467. Jenny Mahler said:

    Your cute letter to Leta was so sweet and pure it brought a tear to my eye. That doesn't usually happen!!! ***Don't want baby- put thoughts back deep inside brain!!!***

    11.03.04 - 06:37 PM
  • 468. AJ said:

    All of you saying you want to pack up and move, GET THE FUCK OUT YOU PUSSIES!

    If you are gonna give up so easily get the fuck out of here.

    11.03.04 - 06:43 PM
  • 469. Carla Beth said:

    Nope, Meggan ... Measure 36 went through. Marriage is now officially between one man and one woman. Of course, in Utah it might be between one man and three women. It didn't pass anywhere.

    You know, I'm from Ohio. Born and raised there. Wish I could convert my Oregon vote to Ohio.

    :o(

    Sad dad indeed.

    11.03.04 - 07:04 PM
  • 470. b said:

    i am terrified - TERRIFIED - of babies, but your letter to leta made me cry like a little bitch.
    your love for her is amazing.

    11.03.04 - 07:07 PM
  • 471. Amanda B. said:

    "I want you to know that your father and I want to teach you love and compassion. We want to teach you that there are always several sides to every story. We want to teach you about all religions and let you choose for yourself what you want to believe. We want to teach you that there is power in knowledge, but that there is even more power in reaching out and loving other people, that life is about relationships and friends and giving everything you’ve got."

    Beautiful. I think we can all learn to live like this. Can't we?

    11.03.04 - 07:16 PM
  • 472. OMG said:

    "Bush appeals to people of an IQ 85 and lower!" - overheard on the bus today. So true!

    With a command of English like his, and a bonehead face to go along with it, who could argue with a statement like that? Pfft!

    Democrats, chin up! We'll survive and we'll take back the WH in 2008.

    11.03.04 - 07:30 PM
  • 473. Amanda B. said:

    K...i'll take that as a no then.

    11.03.04 - 07:33 PM
  • 474. Amanda said:

    Come live in Australia! Our leader is... oh wait... never mind :(

    Everyone - TO CANADA!

    11.03.04 - 07:43 PM
  • 475. Sally D said:

    My Canadian door welcomes you all!

    Especially Leta! My almost 10 month old Ben coos and giggles at her pictures, I think he has his first crush. Come Leta! We have lots of toys and tickles and thumb-sucking is soooooo allowed here!

    11.03.04 - 07:58 PM
  • 476. Caroline said:

    "Everyone - TO CANADA!"

    Wow... NEVER have thought I would hear that. Ever. (I'm Canadian). We're somewhat self-effacing.

    I'm feeling for you folks down there. Chin up!

    11.03.04 - 08:07 PM
  • 477. Laurie said:

    you have no idea what it’s like to be hated for no particular reason when you are in college and treking through europe. you have no idea what it’s like when canadians wear their flags on their backpacks so no one will confuse them with americans.

    i’m amazed that you’re amazed we voted for him. we were attacked. he stood up to the terrorists. we like him. and we think we’re pretty good, too."

    First of all, it sounds like your visit to Europe was a rough one. Hopefully it was better than it sounds. :)

    But I think you'll find that being hated for no particular reason is a fallacy. 1) Because every group is hated for some pretty crappy reasons (ie. the french hate the english, the irish hate the english,, bunchs of people are paranoid about people of middle eastern decent these days)
    2) While there are some pretty good reasons that people hate american foreign policy, overall though I've found (and my boyfriend works at the UN so I can hopefully say this) don't hate americans. It's generally that 5% of the population of the world, although when you have a couple of billion people, 5% seems like alot. And that 5% screws up the world generally so I wouldn't sweat them.

    Also many other countries have been attacked by terrorists. We were actually pretty late in the "game". I'm not saying that your assertion about motivations aren't justified, I'm just saying that plenty of other nations have been battling terrorism for much longer than we have-so they may have some insight that we should listen to. But I'm glad that you are proud to be who you are (really really :D)

    However, what I think we can all agree on is that leta is the CUTEST THING EVER. My ovaries are kicking my tummy going "see! see! the cuteness that we could create if you would only get married and get off birth control!" :)

    11.03.04 - 08:36 PM
  • 478. Eliza said:

    It's a sad day to be American, and a sad day to be gay. Thanks for taking a stand in Utah...we can feel your support all the way in New York.

    11.03.04 - 08:40 PM
  • 479. tracye said:

    Finally! Now Osama can come out from hiding on the ranch and finish what he started.

    If God has chosen Bush to do this mission then heaven help all of us who have eyes to witness this doing. The nation is divided and no matter what people may think, we won't get over it in a few months. It isn't cramps. Or the flu. Or a broken toe. This in case you haven't noticed, is our lives. Anyone who watched the debates and therein cast a vote in the direction of Bush is an idiot and has doomed every one who resides on this planet. He isn't wanted by half of the unUnited States and he needs to acclimate to that idea because hell will freeze over before he wins us all.

    Everything's fine. You can go back to shopping.

    11.03.04 - 09:16 PM
  • 480. popsicle said:

    ben-

    im way behind..but you are one of the many that needs to move to FRANCE! sure everything you said makes sense. my world doesnt have time for whiners. ur a whiner. scram. beat it. im not saying the usa is right, but your comments waste my time. bush won. get over it. lets all get together and support our country and our govt. if not, HAUL ASS. we are divided. obviously! lets make it work. i like two scoops of coolwhip in my irish coffee. wanna fight about it..poosie! shake your tailfeather. god bless america. really.

    11.03.04 - 09:19 PM
  • 481. popsicle said:

    what i didnt add was..unless you are half as cute as Leta or half as 'all-knowing' as me, don't even comment...
    -go cheeseburger's at Butter!
    -go AMEN!POPSICLES!
    -go black eyed peas! latin girls!

    11.03.04 - 09:26 PM
  • 482. christine said:

    I'm so depressed! Don't the Bush supporters know he doesn't give a damn about them!

    11.03.04 - 09:41 PM
  • 483. Amber said:

    Tracye,

    If Bush wasn't wanted by half of the U.S., then why were more than half of the votes cast in favor of Bush?

    Do we seriously have to resort to name calling? :(

    I honestly think that everything will be fine. I really do.

    11.03.04 - 09:49 PM
  • 484. Christilee said:

    ther must be a thousand comments. The 9 month update made me cry a little. That was so sweet. We love you guys lots and lots!

    A GOOD ARTICLE, FROM THE BUSHFLASH.com FORUM:

    IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN COMING HERE TO GLOAT...

    ...save your breath

    Bush may have won...but YOU lost.

    Here's why:

    When overtime pay is eliminated, it won't just be terminated for liberals. You're going to lose yours, as well.

    You're going to have to live in the same polluted America as the rest of us.

    When the next terrorist attack hits us -- and it will -- the al-Qaeda isn't just going to target Democrats only.

    When Social Security goes bankrupt, there won't be any exceptions made for Bush supporters.

    The drug companies aren't going to cut Republican seniors any slack with the new Medicare prescription-drug plan either Your folks will also have their coverage changed arbitrarily whenever Merck, Pfizer, et al. feel like it.

    ( And they won't have any better access to cheaper pharmaceuticals from Canada than anyone else. )

    Body armor and armored vehicles in Iraq are not going to doled on the basis of political leanings.

    Bottom line, you're in the same leaky lifeboat as the rest of us -- you just don't know it yet.

    Except in one regard.

    Your kids aren't going to be able to afford college tuition any more than ours...and when the bill for these record deficits falls due, they're going to have to pay up same as everyone else.

    And that's not even mentioning the possibility of a draft.

    And when they realized that they'll never be able to have a lifestyle as good as yours...all because you wanted to feel pumped about having 'your' guy in office and have yourself a liberal-bashing party, right here, right now...they will turn on you with vengeance.

    Either that...or guess who's gonna end up supporting them?

    Most likely, both of the above. If Bush does get a second term, you'd better be prepared to have your grown kids living with you and hating you at the same time.

    And that is gonna hurt you like you don't wanna know.

    That's the difference, guys. Our kids are gonna know that at least we cared enough about their future to fight to try and fight for it.

    11.03.04 - 09:59 PM
  • 485. tracye said:

    Amber~Bush was unwanted by half of these unUnited States. That is why, Amber, they are saying the country is divided. Bush did not sweep the country, it was a close fight. Secondly, I wasn't name calling anyone. It's a fact not an exaggerations (Bush word) that he is not a great speaker and cannot form sentences properly. He does not bode well in debates as well in other areas. So if you took this as a personal offense, don't.

    I'm glad you think everyone is going to be fine. Really. But when you take your head out of the ostrich hole it's stuck in you will find yourself living in a very different America. One that is, divided.

    And we are not going to get over it and why should we? Freedom of speech is still up for grabs or has Bush moved to eradicate that amendment also?

    We are not going to be alright. We are at war.

    11.03.04 - 10:10 PM
  • 486. Tim said:

    Bitch bitch bitch. That's all I've seen above so far. In case everyone has forgotten, this is still a democratic country. Oh, and in case your forgot this as well, the Senate that WE elected authorized the war.

    11.03.04 - 10:26 PM
  • 487. tracye said:

    That is because the Senate that "we" elected started the war. These people didn't find guns and terrorist for dummy books in their desert backyard. They came from somewhere. Of course, as usual, it's always someone else's fault, it can't be our fault that would be unamerican. The truth can never be told in this country. Everything has to be hidden and covered over and just put a smile on your face and get over it. That's the American attitude, that is until it hits home. And before anyone brings up 9.11, I knew 60 people that perished in the World Trade Towers. I also know that people do not attack you for no reason. But we're never at fault are we? America? God bless America and no one else. Isn't that our motto?

    And if you are so tired of reading so called whining and bitching exercise your rights, while you still can.

    11.03.04 - 11:04 PM
  • 488. Tim said:

    I never asserted that America is always right. I never asserted that Bush has always been right the last four years. I was merely saying that instead of people wasting their energy complaining about something that has transpired, that they become a little more invlved in the poitical process than pushing a button or making a checkmark or punching a "chad" once every four years. The exercise of your free will can only be taken away by one person - you. It is not the actions of one party that decide the elections, it's the inaction of the majority of registered American voters.

    11.03.04 - 11:12 PM
  • 489. Caroline said:

    If you even get to reading this... Someone should get Bush to say something under oath so we can impeach him. Sue him over something, have him subpoenaed and call him as a witness. Hey, it could happen, you know he talks out of his ass. Just make sure to put the mic in the right place.

    11.03.04 - 11:29 PM
  • 490. Caroline said:

    I also wanted to respond to those people saying it's not judgemental to vote for the ban because the bible said homosexuality is bad. The bible also said not to judge. So if you follow it word for word YOU YOURSELF being gay would be wrong, and it WOULDN'T BE YOUR PLACE to judge OTHER PEOPLE. Am I the only one who gets that? It's like born agains think they can judge everyone because they take the bible out of context. Or totally misquote it. I think that we need to educate the public. And the young people turn out was disgusting. After all that 'we can make a difference' half my schoolmates voted for that idiot or not at all. What has this country come to?

    11.03.04 - 11:42 PM
  • 491. tracye said:

    Whatever happened to, separation of church and state?

    And peace,liberty, and justice, for all?

    All words. With no meaning. This was the biggest voter turnout in years, tens of years so they say. People registering to vote who've never voted before.

    In God we trust...

    One Nation under God...

    Sometimes it's important to remember that, freedom isn't free.

    11.03.04 - 11:49 PM
  • 492. Beth said:

    In Leviticus, where it talks about a man not laying with another man - it also says "You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud"

    I wonder how may of the people who voted against gay marriage like to feast on lamb on occasion?

    11.04.04 - 12:31 AM
  • 493. Amber said:

    Tracye,

    My head is not in an ostrich hole. Please do not tell me to not take offense if you directly insult me like so. I have not insulted you.

    And the name calling comment, wasn't directed at you. I apologize if you misunderstood that. There are quite a few people that are name calling, however.

    Do you think Osama cares whether Bush is president or not? If he is going to attack us, he is going to attack us regardless who is president.

    I know that America is divided, but there are quite a few Americans that disagree that are still willing to just live together happily and not let politics get in the way.

    I think we will be alright because most Americans realize that hating each other over politics is, well, stupid. Most are going to push their politics aside in order to live in peace.

    If one lets his or her hatred for another person get in the way of making peace with another, then this war within the country is partially that one person's fault. (because this is collective) If we spout that we should tolerate others, then we must tolerate others; for their beliefs, actions, race, origin, sex, etc. Tolerance brings peace.

    I believe we are fine because I have faith in people to be nice and tolerate the people around them.

    11.04.04 - 02:12 AM
  • 494. popsicle said:

    to the heavenly DOOCE-

    dooce: 'loving other people, that life is about relationships and friends and giving everything you’ve got.

    me: love it. im onboard. that is xactly how ive lived my life. everyone should. i have a two year old girl that every morning comes in to the 'bigger bedroom' from a good night's sleep and asks for a popsicle...lets let all our stressssses be so simple..they can be...if ya let em. shit, i gotta shit! heres to LETA.....and as i mentioned earlier, if you gotta bail the country, leave us a PO Box..im sure u'll hear from us...or maybe not. in either case, be happy...ALWAYS!

    11.04.04 - 02:48 AM
  • 495. popsicle said:

    christylee-
    dang girl...go get lay'd. i mean that in a positive way. go to NYC, Manhattan, leave everything behind for one (1) night, and go hear danny tenaglia...he'll free the space.

    -Amen!Popsicle!

    11.04.04 - 02:57 AM
  • 496. ali said:

    hi dooce, this is my first post here and i'm sorry that this is what it's about. :)

    but anyways. people don't understand why the world is against george bush. and it's really so easy to see. the people that live outside of the u.s are people just like you. we live and go to work and eat hamburgers and love and have kids and think and do everything that you do. so we see george bush - with his attacks on foreign countries, which practically no one else agreed on - as a threat. violence and hate will only breed more hate. i can see those "liberated" iraqis and afghans as being the terrorists of the future - because if you think they are happy about being "liberated", just think how you, as americans, would feel if you were "liberated" by iraqis. you can't imagine that? you should, cause the u s of a is JUST another country.

    ok, i'm sorry for this post, but i am just disappointed. i wanted the world to be a safer place for when i have kids. and i don't see that happening through george bush.

    11.04.04 - 03:17 AM
  • 497. popsicle said:

    Good night, or good morning, or go bush, go usa, go free people, go concerts, go live music, go love, go magic, go sex, go orgasms, go books, go poetry, go whiskey, go sports.....just go. NO MORE WHINING..go kiss your baby, whoever that may be...no more whinING - ali !!

    11.04.04 - 03:42 AM
  • 498. JR said:

    Dear Hillary,

    Please read this article:
    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/01/25/my_late_te...

    Because this same situation happened to my sister this year. Not all abortions happen because the parents don't want the child. We must keep it safe and legal.

    11.04.04 - 03:55 AM
  • 499. Stacy said:

    Heather,
    From now on I'll know better than to read your monthly newletters at work. It's not cool to be teary eyed while construction workers pass by your desk first thing in the morning. I showed it to them, but they still don't get it. Now I'm sure I'll be tortured for the rest of the day about it. It was beautiful. I maintained until the last sentence, then everything went to hell.

    11.04.04 - 04:55 AM
  • 500. Lisa said:

    Heather,

    Until reading your site I couldn't even tolerate the idea of pregnancy; I was always an pro-adopt-our-baby person. But now I can consider the idea because you are making it possible. And Leta is so lovely. I am now 100% positive that I will have a snazzy camera and record my future baby's growth and our relationship for him or her. You ladies are great. Jon and Chuck, too.

    11.04.04 - 05:00 AM
  • 501. Lori said:

    Beautiful post today Dooce. I hope when Leta is old enough she starts her own journal to respond to these beautiful monthly letters. :o)

    11.04.04 - 05:13 AM
  • 502. Nobody said:

    That is one cute kid.

    11.04.04 - 05:18 AM
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