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It's the 1960's all over again

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Of course, it passed. What is wrong with this country?

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  • 1. Dre said:

    We. Are. F.U.C.K.E.D.

  • 2. Alison said:

    And the US is supposed to be forward thinking?

  • 3. KTK said:

    It's scary. 11 states with the same referendum, and not a one of em shot the ban down.

  • 4. pd said:

    "In the ballroom at Columbus's Renaissance hotel, where several dozen weary Kerry supporters are still waiting for an electoral miracle, David Gergen appeared on a monitor and said something that many here are thinking. "For an awful lot of people on the losing side, there's going to be a sense of alienation, of, is this the country we thought it was?" he asked. A few people actually applauded this statement. Others just nodded their heads."

  • 5. Sarah said:

    I'm going to be sick.

    The streets should be running with vomit by now...
    ...what the fuck happened???

  • 6. Kathleen said:

    What's wrong with this country? We elected Bush for 4 years and that way it looks, probably another 4.

    Need I say more?

  • 7. Ali said:

    I keep hoping that I'll wake up. Or that somehow, like the Red Sox - Kerry will win. And then the Patriots will win. And then Massachusetts will take over the world. Hah.

    Also, is there any scientific correlation between pooping and a John Kerry victory? Does the bowel movement of dooce as we know it rest on this election?

  • 8. Diz said:

    Oh dear. And oh dear again.

  • 9. Laurie said:

    (sigh) no better news in the am.

    And just because I have to..Mr. Kano who was saying that liberals are going to whine and republicans aren't...I'm calling hooey on that one. Because you know, that's EXACTLY what they did when Clinton won a second term. They rolled up their sleeves and got to work. Riiiiight.

    You may be the rare exception though, so thank you for your support. :)

  • 10. libbiegrrl said:

    Being a non-American, I extended my deepest condolences. I was hoping to see sanity and intelligence prevail. Sadly, it was not to be.

  • 11. Megan in Munich said:

    At this rate I will never be able to come home again...

  • 12. Brooke said:

    That's it. We're all moving to Canada. :/

  • 13. dj blurb said:

    Kathleen, we did not elect Bush 4 years ago. The Supreme Court stopped the recount and handed him the presidency. Al Gore won the popular vote. That is why so many on the left are so bitter and so upset. Plus, war in Iraq, Osama still at large and God everywhere.

  • 14. di said:

    dunno about any of you, but i'm feeling depressed today.

  • 15. Dale Cruse said:

    I've been giving some thought to what happens next if it's official that Bush wins (it ISN'T official as of me writing this). We can't drop out of the process discouraged. We must continue to stand opposed to every one of Bush's plans that we disagree with. No matter what happens, we can't cave.

  • 16. Michelle said:

    Why does anyone give a fuck if a man wants to marry another man? How is this not considered unconstitutional? Isn't the "sanctity" of marriage more a religious subject than political? Last time I checked, there was supposed to be a separation between church and state. Why can't gays have rights like everyone else does? Fucking ridiculous.

  • 17. patti said:

    I cannot believe this passed. I don't think people were reading into the true meaning of the amendment. It's not just about marriage, it's about who will/will not get benefits and be able to visit their loved ones in the hospital,etc. etc. Lame, people, LAME!

  • 18. atpanda said:

    Amen to that Jon. Down with the electoral college!

  • 19. di said:

    David Letterman: "Hey, I saw your sister with Mary Cheyney, but there was no sign of Dick."

  • 20. Heather 2 said:

    I didn't realize how upset I was going to be if this nightmare happened...and I'm a little bit in shock. I really thought that a majority of the American people were ready for a change. I'm feeling pretty down about the outlook of the next 4 years.

  • 21. Chris From Ohio said:

    The civil rights of minorities have always been challenged at every turn in our country and throughout the world. Losing one major battle won't lose the war.

  • 22. Suki said:

    Guess I should get started on our bomb shelter...

  • 23. Kano said:

    Well look at it this way.....All you liberal whiners won't have to go on that diet you have been meaning to since you are so busy puking your guts out and crying

  • 24. D said:

    Obviously there are too many ignorant, gun-wielding Americans running around with voter registration cards. GO TO FRANCE!

    Vomitus Maximus.

  • 25. patricia said:

    Seriously, what hte fuck are we going to do? I'm thinking of becoming a citizen - Of France!

  • 26. jodi-no-blog said:

    "A government for the idiots, by the idiots...."

    (vomitting into her office waste basket.)

  • 27. TexChic said:

    The sheeple have spoken and now we all have to live with it. Who ever said the U.S. was a forward thinking country? It has been my experience that most of its citizens are self-centered, ignorant, and prejudiced conservative Christian rednecks, but then, I live in the South . . .

  • 28. Canadian said:

    I'm so sorry.

  • 29. Charmaine said:

    It just all feels like one very very bad dream. All I can say is that at least Feingold won and Bush didn't win my state of Wisconsin!

  • 30. Kano said:

    Your comments are just what I expected from a bunch of whiney assed liberals. My God what are we going to do? For God's sake people get a freaking grip. Life will go on and in a few months things will be better. If it's not better then move your silly asses to another country. You are pathetic!

  • 31. espressoblogger said:

    Leader of the free world?

    BWAHAHA!

    Four more years of:
    -crazy terrorists
    -bigotry
    -bad grammar
    -moving closer to 1984
    -me wishing I lived in the day when I could challenge a man to a duel...

  • 32. Candice said:

    I'm am utterly depressed this morning. I knew logically there was a chance Bush could win, but emotionally I never let myself believe the American people could be so stupid as to let this happen. I feel like a stranger in my own country.

    I urge everyone to send John Kerry a letter, urging him to keep up the good fight in Ohio.

    —C.

    PS: I live in Kentucky, where we just elected a senator who is clearly senile and wouldn't even debate his candidate face-to-face. OMG WTF @#$%^&*()

  • 33. Laurie said:

    "Well look at it this way…..All you liberal whiners won’t have to go on that diet you have been meaning to since you are so busy puking your guts out and crying"

    vs

    "You people on the other hand can’t even lose gracefully…..Instead it will be whining bitching and moaning from now on."

    Again, I would say that republicans are just as bad about the whining and bitching and moaning. Remember the 90s?

    Also, it is painfully obvious that some people of the conservative bent are sore "winners". Wheter it be in Iraq or on some comment board. I believe your next line in "nanny nanny boo boo" :)

  • 34. andrea said:

    Watching from up here in Canada, watching the votes come in and be counted on the evening news. There was that big/evergrowing swath of red pouring over the country. The one big question in my head was: "but I thought everyone hated Bush down there?" Second question: "what are they *thinking* down there?" As someone else said in this thread, now that the results are in it is extremely
    important to stand up for your beliefs (whatever they may be: anti-iraq, pro-same sex marriages etc) and get yourselves heard.

  • 35. espressoblogger said:

    Somebody delete Kano's ass.

  • 36. Brooke said:

    Maybe you should stop acting like you have a saguaro cactus stuck up your rear end, Kano.

    Just a thought from one of your so-called "whiney-ass liberals." :)

  • 37. Tom said:

    It was very discouraging last night, to watch and listen to Robert Novak (UGH!) talk about how conservative the nation has become.

    Gay marriage will never be "legal" in this country, at least not while the Republicans are in control, which appears to be for quite a long time.

    Looks like my partner and I will have to move to Canada.

  • 38. Diz said:

    If it’s any consolation, we here in London will be heading to the pub in approximately 3.5 hours to get started on drowning your sorrows. It’s a big job, and we thought you might need some help.

  • 39. Candice said:

    PS to Kano: Eat a bowl of dicks.

    As far as I'm concerned today, the gloves are off. Maybe I'll be more chill in a day or so, but not right now.

  • 40. NancyD5 said:

    Although the Presidential canidates were disappointing all around, I am most bothered by the fact that our "system" only supports voting for canidates from the two major parties. There are SO SO many more options that aren't available because people historically paniced in crisis (ie: depression-era politics) and set us up for such a corrupt system.

    -Just my two cents.

  • 41. Suz said:

    The ONLY frigging good thing about this election is Obama won in Illinois. How is it so many people are willing to trade their civil rights for a false sense of security against a nebulous threat? How is it so many people will vote for a man that purposely plays up their fears? How is it so many people don't care that Bush is a certifiable idiot that can't string together a well-spoken sentance if it's printed on the teleprompter in front of him? Well, as our constiutional rights are trampled, our environment destroyed, our international legitimacy pummeled and our economy spirals downward I just hope all the Busy voters remember that they brought it on themselves.

  • 42. Suki said:

    Kano, wanna come visit while I am pouring the concrete for my bomb shelter. I am sure you will make an excellent "filler."

  • 43. Ica said:

    I woke up this morning and apologized to my baby girl for the fact that the basic civil liberties that we, her parents, have grown up with and taken for granted will slowly be eroded in the next four years and that it will take her entire life to fight to get back.

    I want to throw up.

  • 44. teach said:

    Kano, you're the one who is pathetic. I can't believe people who were concerned about "moral values" voted for Bush. What kind of moral values are lying, cheating, stealing and hate? How stupid do you have to be not to see through this megalomaniac? This country was founded on the notion that all people are created equal and that we should all be free to practice or not practice whatever religion we choose. Just because I'm a (fill in the blank) doesn't mean all people should be. Bush and his cronies are trying to dictate what ALL Americans should believe, and I can't think of anything more un-American than that.

  • 45. elliott said:

    there's fucking plenty wrong with this fucking cuntry (<---NOT mispelled).

  • 46. mainer said:

    Shock and awe.
    Shock that this election was decided by Christian Conservatives, in awe of Carl Rove's ability to create a political regime who basically writes off the center/left, and relies upon the right wing to win. GWB will govern UNFETTERED by fear of losing re-election, by any accountability to those to disagree with him at all. What has he got to lose? NOTHING.

    We have no idea what the future will bring with that man in control. I am so sad for our nation today.

  • 47. elliott said:

    fuckity fuck fuck

  • 48. dusty said:

    The process was followed. Everyone 18 or over with no felonies had the right to be heard, and unfortunate for some the loud voice of the minority is silenced by the actions of the majority. Population density aside, the screen looked pretty red last night....And if a state like Ohio who lost over 200,000 manufacturing jobs over the last 4 years, can't get 51% for Kerry....then what does that say?

  • 49. Meggan said:

    I'm fairly positive the ban didn't pass in Oregon, where it's called "Measure 36," not "3." So there IS some hope...

    *sigh*

    I thought we had more sense than this...

  • 50. JK Canadian said:

    I only live in a 1 bedroom in Edmonton, but am willing to share with any sane American wanting out.

  • 51. Kristin said:

    I reside in Austin, Texas which happens to be the state capital and located in Travis County. I'm proud to say that Travis County choose to elect Kerry over Bush.

  • 52. PKD said:

    One can only hope that the children of red America will have an epiphany, and become another generation of hippie liberals. Let's bring the sixties revolution back, we're probably going to have another generation of draft dodgers.

  • 53. Moxie said:

    Ben Franklin may be a dickhead, but GWB is a penis wrinkle.

  • 54. Chris said:

    Fuck. Canada is looking better and better. America is OBVIOUSLY ASLEEP.

  • 55. Aimée said:

    I AM a citizen... OF FRANCE. While I was going to move my fantastic French husband back to the greatness that is the US, I may rethink & wait 'till 2008!

    As for this quote; "Voting for 'anybody but Bush' just isn't a way to vote..." Okay- what if your child was being beaten by the babysitter and someone else offered to come in & NOT beat your child... that's not better? You'd rather KEEP the abusive babysitter simply beacuse you don't KNOW if the other one is better or not? (I didn't vote that way- I DO think Kerry would be better- by far. IMHO)

    Trust me, [politically unaware] GUN weilding Americans are not welcome in FRANCE. Strict gun laws here- Just one of the many perks about being here. This country is SO focused on serving it's people, not it's people focused on serving it's government.

    For those who feel awful today- I'm right there with you. I'm hoping for a miracle, but even my hair seemes depressed today.

    (I think we can safely ignore Kano's comments- he's obviously not burdened with class or decorum so he eliminates his own comments by how crass they are.)

  • 56. Giest said:

    There's still some room in Canada... You'd be welcome.

  • 57. Angie M said:

    Group hug needed I think!

    As a outsider I just want to say that what I am seeing is a country that has an OPINION (one way or anither) and is interested in politics - just look at those lines of people wanting to vote! This has to be a good thing!

    This election has made people sit up and take notice of the decisions all poiticians make on our behalf.

    I truly believe that if people can stay this focussed on what's going on in America and around the world that in 4 years time it wont be a close call; that the democrats will 'walk it', in the name of common sense!

  • 58. elliott said:

    So the majority of people in this country voted for George Bush. More people voted for him than any other candidate ever.

    What do we take from this? To ensure reelection, GO TO WAR. There will never be a 1-term president again, as long as they're savvy enough to maintain a war through their second election.

    I just don't relate to the majority of people in this country. Moral values was the most important issue to people voting for Bush. ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME? MORAL VALUES? If that's what is most important, what will the republican party do next to play to it's base. Hmmm. Shall we ban homosexuality?

    Bush is pretty far right- I think most people agree with that. However, his political machine was wise enough to stay moderate just enough to snag independant voters, and perhaps a few dems. Now that there's no need to worry about reelection (and Dick Cheney isn't looking for office), how far will he go? And there's not gonna be any opposition in congress either- there will be an unprecedented number of supreme court nominations over the next few years, and I shudder to think what agenda they will push (overturn roe v. wade?). If you thought the last four years were scary, the next four will be much, much worse.

  • 59. Marie said:

    What president were these people watching?

  • 60. MominNYC said:

    I cannot believe how sad I am this morning. I knew that we were toast when the exit polls showed the majority voting on "moral issues." I am still shocked that people are so afraid of gay-cooties that they would vote this idiot back into office.

  • 61. Nina said:

    so much for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Good luck to you in the U.S. - us Canadians are depressed right along with you.

  • 62. Tina said:

    Wouldn't it be amazing if half of the US moved to Canada and other countries...

  • 63. Stephanie said:

    I pray for our sons, the young boys in our country, especially those who will be of military fighting age in the next 4 years...

  • 64. Stephanie said:

    I have to say. This is only my 2nd time voting. This time I looked at all the issues decided that Kerry was the man. I am not extremely political and pretty much just keep to myself about it but I have to say that I hoped like hell to wake up to a new President this morning. It is not looking good and I am really sad about it and I didn't think I would be. IT SUCKS ASS!

  • 65. Lori said:

    It is a sad, sad day in the United States. I am seriously thinking of moving to Canada. At least my family and I will be out of Bush's grasp. Keeping my fingers crossed for luck in Ohio.

  • 66. atomic said:

    The Fly-Over is getting mighty big. Oh how I wish I could drink to forget today but alas I'm 6 months pregnant. THIS BABY BETTER BE A DEMOCRAT.

  • 67. Amanda said:

    What bothers me most about the amendment passing is the complete disconnect. People are actually blind to the fact that they have just set the precedent for their own discrimination. Kiss your civil liberties goodbye people, the rollbacks are in full swing.

    A little reading material for all the women who didn’t vote.
    http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/06/south.carolina.ap/

    http://www.alternet.org/rights/20162/

  • 68. zebob said:

    From the Bay State (now apparently dubbed the Gay State by many outside its borders), all I can say is we've done our part. Move here and get married. It's cool with us.
    Now I have to console my 5-year-old daughter who wanted John Kerry to win.-z

  • 69. Cristina said:

    Awash in a sea of red.
    WTF happened?
    I know I live in the liberal bubble of NYC but is the American public blind, deaf, and dumb?

  • 70. Diz said:

    Question for the US citizens. Where do you see your country after another four years of Bush? What do you think will have happened to the economy, with the ‘war on terror’ and social issues by the next presidential election?

    And how do you think the many people who voted against Bush will react to his (probable) re-election? Do you think there’s a chance that they will become more politically vocal?

  • 71. Cheryl said:

    I am beyond disgusted.

  • 72. kim said:

    i think this just shows *AGAIN* that the voting system is pure bull**it. i mean, once more there will be a president in charge who obviously wasn't elected by the majority of the people. i don't get it. the gouvernment over there manages to do pretty much anything they want (including unnecessary war) but they don't manage to change to a voting-system where you just count the votes and the one with the most wins?? i don't get it.. but then again - i'm german..

  • 73. DoulaBrooke said:

    I had to tell my 5 year old daughter that Kerry will possibly lose this election, and she cried in my arms. I am not happy today.

  • 74. Kellie said:

    Well, I am pleased with the results, although I might be the only one here that is. (Besides Kano, and I'm not positive I want to claim him. : ) Although I don't like being thought of and referred to as a "self-centered, ignorant, and prejudiced conservative Christian redneck", I can handle it. People who judge others that way and claim to be open-minded and available to other ideas usually only mean it when it suits their agenda.
    I voted NO on Amendment 1, and I do not support a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. Just my $.02.

  • 75. Colleen said:

    Kano, my man.... if Kerry were the one on top, I think your comments would be filled with allusions of bodily functions.... Why are you surprised at what you're reading? I thought you could figure that one out. You are not a good representation as a Bush supporter with your low-brow sarcasm. I would respect you more if you gave a good argument instead of throwing mud.

    I feel pretty bummed myself, but I can still eat!!

  • 76. court said:

    really, there are no words, I am disgusted with this country. why don't they worry about people like J.LO and brittany spears "ruining" the sanctity of marriage.

    PS Whose business is it anyway?

  • 77. Aimée said:

    I heard a guy on NPR say, "I don't like Bush. I don't like his politics, his beliefs, his decisions... but I'll vote for him because I'm rich & he'll keep me that way." UGH.

    The view from here, Cristina #69 is that yes... 1/2 of America IS blind, deaf & dumb. Anybody got any ideas how to work hard NOW to change that fact??

    First of all, people should read more newspapers instead of sucking their news off the TV. Far more balanced. Also- Americans need to learn way more about international politics & news... it DOES matter. I was one of those who didn't pay enough attention years ago, I thank God I do now!

    And, I was raised Baptist. But I don't think for a minute Bush truly has a clue who God is. Actions speak WAY louder than words.

    I've read abortion rates have gone UP the past four years? So- Bush is pro-life? Really?? It takes more than anti-abortion laws to lower abortion rates. A safer environment. Better education. Better SEX education (not just abstinence!), more jobs, less discrimination... these things too help lower abortion rates. It's a GLOBAL picture I voted for, not for one item or the other.

    What a guy does overall creates success or failure, and I believe Kerry's policies, while liberal, would create a better environment- which in turn would lower abortion rates, etc.

  • 78. Jake said:

    A few comments for DJ Blurb, et al

    --"Kathleen, we did not elect Bush 4 years ago. The Supreme Court stopped the recount and handed him the presidency."

    I know it is upsetting, but please stop saying things like this. Or, "Bush stole the election." Etc. Recount after recount after the fact showed Bush won Florida, even if it was by only 500 votes.

    --"Al Gore won the popular vote."

    Yes, barely. He is not the first loser to do so, but one of a few. This is how the electoral college works. Yeah, it's dumb, but that's the way it is.

    --"That is why so many on the left are so bitter and so upset."

    Ok.

  • 79. Laurie said:

    The map that is "'awash" in red, is pretty much exactly the same as it is every election. The bread basket tends to vote republican.
    The christian uber-conservative right has been growing in the US since the early 80's.

    My boyfriend (who is republican who decided not to vote for a president this year) described it as being one half of the nation is getting more and more conservative and is desperately trying to hold on to "traditional" values while the other half is moving toward more "progressive" values. Both sides freak each other out, neither one understands the others view point, and is causing a true divide within the nation. It's just sad really.

  • 80. HRT said:

    I offer my condolences. Even if I don't think that the result of the election was all that bad. But then again I'm one of those holy-rolling-bible-thumping-right-wing-nut-jobs. Or at least that's what CNN tells me I am.

  • 81. Dazed & Confuzed said:

    *Wakes up, looks at the newspaper* Holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit.

  • 82. TracyDee said:

    Hey Dooce... where's a picture of Leta or Chuck? We could ALL use some cheering up about now :)

  • 83. Dee said:

    I still do not understand what moral values have to do with politics in this country ... in other countries people would be joinging together and doing something about these issues; here one figure can decide for all of us what is morally right or wrong bases on their moral values... makes no sense to me.

    The Presidential candidates differ only in their moral values, what they think best for them translates into what they think best for their country. We are forgetting to think that our values are no more real than the values of others .... the right to gay marriage is obviouly important for gay people, what right does a non-gay population have to ban it? That is the same thing as me having the right to ban all alcohol or all smoking; because i don't do it and don't believe in it I don't have to right to screw the rest of the country.

    Don't get me wrong here, I am not bringing anyone down ... I just can't understand why these topics are political. What difference does it make if man wants to be with man or woman with woman, are they afraid it may be a step closer to a man or woman wanting to marry a different species?

    Really, I live with a very conservative man who believes this decision is right, and for the life of me I can't make him see the big picture ... makes sense why it is so difficult to get allow same sex marriages when there are people as stubborn in the world as my DH .... but should America's moral values be left to the disgretion of a few people who are just extremely close minded?

    A person is a person and as long as he/she is marrying another person who gives a flying fuck?

  • 84. Sherri said:

    If people were truly concerned about the sanctity of marriage, they'd make adultry a felony and outlaw divorce.

    Sanctity of marriage, my ass!

    I weep for our future.

  • 85. Em said:

    IT'S FUCKED UP (the country that is). Let's all move - TO FRANCE!

  • 86. Ari said:

    It is obvious that two things occurred last night looking at the map. We are now more polarized then at anytime since the Civil War. And the imperialists have won. If I was not an American I would not like us either. We were in France, IN FRANCE, this summer and most americans really do not understand what the rest of the world is like. They have never been more then 100 miles from their farm our local subway station. It is a country full of insular self-centered people who only think me me me, on both a global and local level.

    We are the richest country on earth with the highest infant mortality rate in the developed world and more then 40 million people with no health care.....how can this be....because those red states represent people who don't care about anything except their own fear.

    Fear of the "other", fear of a world that they are not really a part of. We have separated ourselves from the rest of the world and sit here in our own little un-reality....that is how we can vote for an administration like this one.

    It is sad. I am sad and I am really seriously thinking of leaving a place that has given me so much. But not yet, maybe somehow people will wake up. What I am afraid of is what needs to happen before that can occur.

    We still have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, maybe that can save us in the end

  • 87. Ellewiz said:

    I don't know how anyone with a child could vote for Bush. Do these parents not care that their kids will be paying huge taxes to make up this deficit? Do they not care about crappy underfunded public schools, where kids are taught nothing more than to take a multiple-choice test?

  • 88. Jessica said:

    I'm a resident of the US; married to an American, and watching the elections last night made me positively ill. What are people THINKING??? It boggles the mind, it does.

    My EU passport is looking very tempting right now.....of France!

  • 89. Catherine said:

    Well, even if states will not recognize same-sex marriages some corporations are starting to. Enterprise Rent-a-Car is now providing health coverages for people in same sex unions. Perhaps the next four years will be enough to get this apathetic younger generation mobile. Only 17% of 18-24 year olds voted. After they are drafted - you too ladies- maybe they will start to excercise their rights.

  • 90. Karin said:

    I dont get it I really dont.
    A friend of mine helped set up polling in columbus ohio on monday and then went out canvasing the area for polls out of the hundreds of new registered voters and undecided voters they polled they prefered kerry 12 to 1 ! 12 to 1 people and yet bush is still ahead in that state? Also you should read what happened to a voter in nyc it was just ONE example of polling incompetence.
    www.lifestudent.com
    I am so utterly disgusted at this country right now I really want to vomit.

  • 91. Lawrene in Ohio said:

    Why can all of Europe see what we have such a hard time seeing -- that the election was rigged in 2000 and again this time? Because none of us wants to say out loud that the great USA is now no more democratic than any despot-ridden third-world country. It is heartbreaking, but only for a moment, until we get up off our complacent duffs and take our country back!

  • 92. Cristina said:

    One thing I don't understand about this link of banning same-sex marriage and the Republican Party. Kerry did not want to give same sex couples the right to marry either. He wanted to give them more rights that other couples have but not the right to marry. So it’s both parties who said no to this idea. Please stop blaming the republicans for everything.

  • 93. Drew said:

    The thing about the push for gay marriage that I don't get at all is this: instead of clammoring for the allowance of gay marriage, why not take it one step at a time and strive for a legal union which will provide legal rights to the couple? Once you have established those rights (the most important, in my opinion), then work on the next step of establishing the union as a marriage. I just don't understand why people get caught up in a term and not focus on what is more important, which are the rights that union provides.

    I am very pleased president Bush is re-elected. I am sorry you democrats seem to see everything as gloom and doom, but hopefully we can all go forward and try and mend our wounds now.

  • 94. Aimée said:

    Banning same sex marriage is simply the exact same as telling two people of any religion, race or creed that they cannot start a business with each other. That's all a marriage is, in the eyes of the law- paperwork to prove who had what in case of a divorce. EVERYONE should have equal rights- and FYI I'm a Baptist minister's kid, and my whole family feels this way.

    Em #85- by the way- the French people are so rediculously kind & tolerant- you'd be more than welcome!

  • 95. angel said:

    I am a dual UK/US citizen (born in Arkansas) who is seriously considering renouncing my American citizenship.

    I have far more freedom and a greater sense of well-being in England. My healthcare is excellent and free at point of use, and there is a social conscience here.

    Plus you can go on vacation--IN FRANCE!

    I would advise anyone who finds Bush intolerable to look into emigrating. If everyone who has heard "love it or leave it" actually did, the sad, sick group of individuals who would be left over would drive the country into the ground in short order.

  • 96. Spring said:

    Shout out to JK Canadian. Edmonton here too.

    Note to gay people moving to Canada- wouldn't recommend Alberta. Everyone would choke on their Alberta beef (ha!) if Alberta suggested legalizing gay marriage.

    Thankfully Canada does have other (more tolerant) provinces.

  • 97. Benoit said:

    Watching this from Canada... Hard to believe this is happening. I hope those who got Bush re-elected (looks like it so far) realize that in a way, they will be responsible for whatever he is going to do.
    By the way, you're welcome to move over here, although I must warn you that most people in Montreal also speak that language... OF FRANCE! ;)

  • 98. wow said:

    Ambra,

    There's nothing unfortunate about that at all! I'm with you all the way & a fellow Washingtonian.

    I hope Dino takes it all the way, too!

  • 99. Jennifer said:

    As Jon Stewart said last night, "It reminds me of a dream I had......... where I wake up CRYING."
    So backwards. Let's preserve an institution that even the homos can't get right because, by god, those people ain't like us and therefore, no rights for them. The Statue of Liberty weeps, once again.

  • 100. Louise said:

    My province (Nova Scotia) has legalized gay marriage, for anyone looking at real estate listings...
    Seriously, though. As you've already seen by reading the comments from Canadians here, most of our country is shaking its head and wondering how this happened. I offer my condolences.

  • 101. cadbut said:

    HaHa..."propsed"!

  • 102. Jennifer said:

    whups, I meant heteros can't get right. I can't even think straight today, and I AM straight. Geez.

  • 103. chris said:

    Cristina #92:

    Kerry is "against" gay marriage, but does not believe it is the national government that should decide the issue. He believes it should be up to the states to decide.

    George Bush, and many other Republicans (including my state's ultra-conservative Marilyn Musgrave), have openly supported and tried to draft a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

    There is a HUGE difference there. Don't kid yourself - this is a religion-right idea, and I'd guess that 95% of the religious right are Republican.

  • 104. Christine said:

    "Only 17% of 18-24 year olds voted."

    I heard that figure too. What happened to "Get Out The Vote" and all that stuff? What happened to all of those people that Michael Moore was supposedly firing up to vote with his "documentary"?

    All of that talk and no action -- that's interesting to me. Most of the kids I teach are in that age range. I'm going to ask them why they think so many people their age neglected to vote.

  • 105. arielle said:

    i'm almost amused that no one realized it would ban common-law marriages. a lot of people depend on that to reap their civil rewards. but they covered that up, so they could push the "gays are the devil and we must make them unequal" part of the amendment.

    sadly, it passed in michigan too. and michigan went to kerry.

  • 106. Mark said:

    This great country of ours has lost its way somewhere. I really wish I could place exactly where. What we stand for and what we lived for has changed from the freedoms this country was founded on back into a monarchy of sorts. It really makes me very sad to see that "Religion" is playing such a crucial role in how our country is being governed. I am all for people believing what they want but what happened to the seperation of church and state? The line seems to be fading fast. History has taught us many times that letting religion interfere with government leads to blood shed and chaos. And now two people who love each other regardless of gender have to hide in the shadows and can't enjoy simple pleasures of life? What happend to "and the pursuit of happiness"? I really fear for my son, and all children of this once great country. What a mess we are going to leave for them.

  • 107. wealhtheow said:

    You know, I started this as a snarky comment pretending not to miss all the things we'd lose under this administration--environmental protection, women's reproductive rights, funding for science, marriage rights, an equitable tax burden--but it just got too long and too depressing. I can see the future, and it's not pretty. My only consolation is that I can stand up and say "When Bush appoints his ultraconservative judges to the Supreme Court, I will stand in the street and burn an American flag" and not fear arrest.

    I'll follow up on that, too. We burn the flag in this country when it has been dishonored. It is not hating America to say "I would rather burn this flag honorably than have it fly over a travesty of justice."

  • 108. chris said:

    Christine #104:

    I saw that 17% number last night, too, but I thought they were showing us the percentage of votes cast by different age groups: i.e., 17% of the total votes were cast by 18-24 year olds.

  • 109. Camille said:

    Wow. I have to say that I am somewhat surprised by the tone of most of the comments today. The election is over; most of the votes have been counted. Things might not have turned out the way we wanted, but I don't think we should be moping and whining. I am not going to say, "This country sucks," or "I'm moving to Canada." That's ridiculous. This is a time to remain standing for what we believe in. People can still make a difference. I don't want anyone's pity or condolences. I am strong enough to continue fight the good fight and I think a lot more of us are strong enough too. Buck up, people. Let's not fall away just yet.

    Even if (when?) Bush gets another term, make sure our voices are heard.

  • 110. wow said:

    To those worried about a draft:
    Our husbands, sons, brothers, friends, etc. are safe. Bush *will* veto any draft legislation crossing his desk, which btw was proposed by a couple of rogue Democrats (who wanted to scare people who failed to discern that they were messing with them).

  • 111. Karen said:

    I woke up this morning with a real sense of foreboding - I couldn't believe the country had collectively decided to re-elect Bush - but it seems that is exactly what has happened. I have to admit, that there was a fleeting moment in the booth that I almost voted for him too - not because I support anything he has ever done - but simply because Kerry would have been stuck with trying to clean up this un-godly mess he is making of our county, our world, our planet and in the end, would have taken the blame.

    In the Buddhist faith, suffering is a natural part of life along with the inevitability of change. Our country is changing - we must accept that; I only hope the suffering is not too prolonged.

  • 112. robyn said:

    I've woken up with easier hangovers to stomach... At least they ended that same afternoon after a few Motrin.

    Happy nine months to Leta, btw!

  • 113. Jamie said:

    I hope your poop wasnt riding on this election!

  • 114. patricia said:

    I've never really considered myself to be very patriotic, but I gotta say, I have never been more proud (and greatly relieved) that today to be a Canadian. So sorry for you guys. Toronto is a great city, too. We have the best Gay Pride parade in the world, I think.

  • 115. anna said:

    I was (tentatively, non-commitally) talking about the gay marriage bans with a large, grimy cab driver, when he just summed it right up:

    "What the fuck do I care if a couple of fuckin' fags wanna get married?"

    Exactly, sir, exactly.

  • 116. patricia hannigan said:

    Help!!!!!!!!!!This is all wrong!

  • 117. wow said:

    wealhtheow,

    What's wrong with having a judge who stands up for the rights of women? Even if they are preborn?

  • 118. Beth Ringsmuth said:

    I dunno about y'all but I am super pumped that George W. Bush probably won this election! My god, the damage we can do the world! Think of the economic ramifications, the social activists having heart attacks and aneurisms! And please don't forget all the additional sanctity added to the half of marriages that work in out in some states. Go sanctity of straight marriage, I always say. Also, Iraq! We can continue ramming democracy down the throats of those who like to kill us! It's excellent. Forget a change or a fresh start, let's all go buy Highlanders and Explorers and work on a constitutional amendment so Bush can be re-elected in '08!!

    p.s. this was my try at sarcasm. Kerry won MN! I did my best...

  • 119. shelli said:

    i'm scared. really and truly scared

  • 120. Kim in Texas said:

    Wow, I was sure hoping to wake up to Kerry but instead woke up to a pretty resounding popular vote for Bush and a "wait and see" on Ohio.

    I'm most worried about the Supreme Court over the next 4 years. That will be a pretty tough thing to overcome in the next TWENTY years. So the "only four more years" mantra won't work.

    I have one consolation - I started my own business this year and hope to have a combined family income over $200k in the next two years. So, I won't pay more in taxes (which I think I SHOULD if I make more money!) so I'll be thinking about what worthy charities will get that money I'll be keeping because of a screwed up taxation system that isn't at all equal.

    Kano - Give us a day to get used to this. Geesh, why don't you go to a Red website somewhere and spew your cheer?

    And Suki? Fluff and sh*t don't make good filler in concrete. I should know - I'm an engineer.

  • 121. Tim said:

    Kano,

    Three words:
    Sean Hannity Weblog.

    Go there and give us a break from your righteous indignation.

  • 122. Patrick said:

    The only good thing to come out of this election: maybe Americans will start to give a shit about this country's operations more than once every four years.

    I'm also confident that Bush's legacy will be similar to his father's -- that of a likable, but bumbling charlatan who set this country back more than he guided it. W's inability to play nice in the global sandbox and penchant for legislating morality will, in time, prove themselves to be his undoing.

    In the meantime, we have to get ready for Frist or Cheney (ha!), or whomever will atempt to carry W's scepter in four years.

    Who's it going to be up for the challenge?
    Obama '08
    or
    Hillary '08

  • 123. jmf said:

    I love reading Dooce and I love that we live in a country where we can publicly disagree on politics, religion, etc. What I can't stand is when people who claim to be so 'open minded' (i.e. liberals) are so close minded when it comes to accepting and respecting those that don't agree with everything they believe.

    Trust me when I say that I am not a far right conservative...I am simply a rational, respectful American that believes we all have a right to believe what we want to believe, vote how we want to vote, and ACCEPT the outcome of an election....because that is what democracy is all about.

    Kerry needs to concede already--I live in Ohio and I can tell you that with Bush's lead of 135,000 votes and only 140,000 provisional votes remaining (which typically only yields less than 50% legitimate votes) it is NOT mathematically possible for Kerry to win this state.

    Let's not even get to the discussion that there was a $4 million difference with Bush winning the popular vote for all of the U.S. Facts are facts here--while you may not agree with the outcome you must concede that Americans have voted and this is where the majority lies and you must respect that.

  • 124. melissa said:

    well said, jmf. I also live in Ohio and I am SOOOO glad I got out there and voted for Bush!

  • 125. Aimée said:

    (Photo of clothing label should be right here)

    "This is a clothing label from a small American company that sells their product in the US, France & Canada.

    The inside label carries instructions on washing and caring for the bags. Because the bags are sold in France & Canada, the instructions are also printed in French. The French version, however, contains an additional phrase: "NOUS SOMMES DESOLES QUE NOTRE PRESIDENT SOIT UN IDIOT. NOUS N'AVONS PAS VOTE POUR LUI."

    Here's the translation of the French part of the label.

    Wash with warm water.
    Use mild soap.
    Dry flat.
    Do not use bleach.
    Do not dry in the dryer.
    Do not iron.
    We are sorry that Our President is an idiot.
    We did not vote for him."

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_anti_bush_label.htm

  • 126. Amy said:

    oh PLEASE. the republicans survived bill clinton, and the democrats will survive w. suck it up and get on with your lives. it's NOT the end of the world as you make it sound.

  • 127. nick said:

    Camille (#109)
    I think that's about the most intelligent thing I've read on this site. Good for you.

    Yes, let's pull together. Our voices will be heard in the Senate and House. Find sites on the internet. Get involved. Stand up for what you believe in. You can still make a difference. Write your local officials with your opinion. You will be heard.

    Just because Bush is in office again, doesn't mean we are going to hell in a handbasket. Especially if we don't let ourselves.

    Just today someone forwarded me an email asking me to sign a petition for a new breast cancer law. This is how we'll do it. Grass roots style.

  • 128. Aimée said:

    Yeah, Amy but what about the catchy phrase "Clinton lied & no one died"? That can't be said about Bush.

  • 129. jlh said:

    I, for one, am very glad that this ban passed in all 11 states. Maybe this country is salvagable afterall?

  • 130. shannon c said:

    I don't think eating breakfast was a good idea, I feel it coming back up. Someone said last night that it couldn't get worse than it has been the past four years. BULLSHIT! However, let's hope we (the sane) keep this fever up so that we DO keep on top of what the white house is doing and challenge him every step of the way.

    Sadly, Measure 36 (ban on gay marriage) passed here in Oregon as well. I'd had so much hope...

  • 131. Christine said:

    "What I can’t stand is when people who claim to be so ‘open minded’ (i.e. liberals) are so close minded when it comes to accepting and respecting those that don’t agree with everything they believe."

    I think that is part of the reason that Bush has won the election so handily. People are sick of the liberal elite telling them what they should think.

  • 132. wow said:

    Legislate morality? How absurd! We'd better throw all the laws out, today! That way it's OK for anyone to do anything. That's what America's all about, isn't it? Freedom!

  • 133. HRT said:

    I for one will not miss one person who thinks Canada or UK is a better country than the US. I say good bye, and good riddance.

  • 134. Beerzie Yoink said:

    What's wrong with Utah?

  • 135. HRT said:

    p.s. when the terrorists start attacking the UK and Canada, can we stop defending you? I hope so.

  • 136. Christine said:

    AP:

    John Kerry just called President Bush and conceded the election.

  • 137. LadyBug said:

    Can I just say, I'll be sooo glad when all this is over and we can get back to talking about cute babies and poop.....or was it babies and cute poop? Nah, couldn't be.
    Anyway, please, please, please dear God in Heaven, let this political nightmare be over soon!

    LadyBug

  • 138. Jen said:

    Here in Florida it wasn't that bad, but Amendment 1 passed, which was parental notification of abortions in minors. It's a great thought that all girls who accidentally get pregnant could go to their families for help, but it just isn't that way. Oh, and, gee, if we want less abortions, HOW ABOUT SOME SEX ED??? Just a thought for Bush & Bush. (We have one as governer, too. I'm moving, I swear to god.)

  • 139. Cristina said:

    KIM IN texas " I won’t pay more in taxes (which I think I SHOULD if I make more money!) so I’ll be thinking about what worthy charities will get that money I’ll be keeping because of a screwed up taxation system that isn’t at all equal."

    STANDING OVATION. WELL DONE.

    As for moving to another country, its nice to talk about, but think about the "blue votes" that you will forfeit at the next election.

  • 140. WT said:

    :)

  • 141. Mary D said:

    First time poster. I love dooce.com by the way and I just adore Leta!

    I'm Canadian and I'm scared. We have to back the US if not we might be bombed by the US for some crazy reason. It makes no sense. I don't what is going on with people. Yes, you have the right to choose but if people are making bad decisions then someone should step in. It's no wonder the US gets attacked. There is a president who is fighting his Daddy's war and who is sending out people from his own country to be beheaded and millions and millions of people are supporting him. Isn't that what Sadam was doing?

    God help us all, not just the US but Canada too because we all live in America.

  • 142. Tony said:

    I would rant about some of these comments, but there's no point. Thank you for voicing your opposition to these discriminatory amendments. We'll have to wait for it, but history will not judge these 8 years kindly. I just hope I don't have to wait for my grandkids to be the ones to see that day.

  • 143. nick said:

    it's over. bush won (thankfully). but we give kerry credit for conceding and not dragging it out.

    please, no talk of not really winning or any of that crap. bush won by the greatest majority of popular vote. ever.

    i for one am going to start working to make this country more moderate.

  • 144. lavonne said:

    what's really scary is that this administration has been deliberately bankrupting the country, and now will be able to finish the job, so that they'll be able to finish off all entitlement programs--like social security, disability, unemployment, etc. better start saving every dime for your retirement--and kiss your health insurance, if you still have any, goodbye.

  • 145. wow said:

    KIM IN texas ” I won’t pay more in taxes (which I think I SHOULD if I make more money!) so I’ll be thinking about what worthy charities will get that money I’ll be keeping because of a screwed up taxation system that isn’t at all equal.”

    What's equal about paying more than your fair share? I applaud you, too. I wouldn't be able to if the government took it away from you and you couldn't choose to give it to the causes you cherish. Would you rather the government chose for you?

  • 146. Megan said:

    I am bitter and upset. I am upset that all the "new" voters apparently voted for the jackass. I too feel sick today and I probably smell sick too cause I couldn't even muster the will to shower this morning. I am horrified and I live in GA and I am really starting to hate this state. But at least Atlanta went to Kerry, I'm glad to have been a part of that. WAIT!! CHECK OUT THE BREAKING NEWS ON CNN.COM!!!

  • 147. Colleen said:

    Did Kerry concede?

  • 148. maryse said:

    george bush would make a good president of france, except the french would have the good sense not to elect him.

    again, i have underestimated the stupidity of the american people.

  • 149. Jacob said:

    All of you that are "so depressed" and "vomitting" and think a fellow human being would make "good filler" for your concrete. Open your eyes - the *majority* of this country knows the definition of marriage.

    My heart aches for those African-Americans that suffered such great hardships in this country's past. What an insult it is to them to compare the "plight" of the selfish homosexual community to what these men and women went through because of RACE.

    Go ahead and make good on your threats and please, please head on up to Canada.

  • 150. Colleen said:

    wow, holy smokes...just turned up the radio...he did.

  • 151. ab said:

    What a fabulous idea...let's put discrimination into the constitution!

  • 152. Mary D said:

    I am Christian and I got to church each Sunday. I believe in God and say my prayers. I do not believe that God wants us to judge others so I don't. Therefore, I don't think gay marriages should be banned. I'm the miniority. I'm white, I'm married to a man, I'm female by the way. I think people should have the right to choose. If you are gay and love someone and both of you respect and cherish each other then that is all that matters. It's the same ideal for straight marriages. As long as you love one another that is all tha matters. Family values my ass. Sure Bush might be a good father, sure he might not cheat on his wife but he is crazy and those who support him are too. I think that all those who voted for Bush and Bush along with his family, should don army gear and be sent to Iraq to fend for themselves. Let's see who'd come crying back home with their tale between their legs. Let them fight their own war. Let them be held for ransom and lets not pay it. We'll see who changes their vote then.

  • 153. Heather 2 said:

    I think I'm gonna be sick...

  • 154. wow said:

    Thank you, Kerry for being a gentleman.

  • 155. Danika said:

    Just heard Kerry is conceding..

    I am so.. SO sorry.

  • 156. nick said:

    I'm a Republican for Choice and just got my post-election email. For all of you interested in keeping a woman's right to choose in this country, this is a good link.

    http://www.rpcc.org/home.shtml

  • 157. Heather 2 said:

    Jacob, I'm with you. How DARE those "selfish" homosexuals want the same rights that heterosexual couples have. Who do they think they are? Humans? Why should they have equal rights?

    (Please read the sarcasm in this comment.)

  • 158. HRT said:

    " I do not believe that God wants us to judge others so I don’t."
    That's one of the most misquoted verses in the bible. Christian's aren't the ones who invented the notion that homosexuality is bad. God did. Look it up.

  • 159. Danika said:

    (Also in Edmonton)Oh and I agree with Springs note to gays moving to Canada. Alberta is a bad province to come to.

  • 160. dette said:

    Oklahoma picked Bush! I feel like moving. Perhaps all us Kerry voters could move to OF FRANCE!!!! and we can have President Kerry OF FRANCE!!!! VIVA LA OF FRANCE!!!!

  • 161. HRT said:

    Please Please PLEASE move!