Chchchch-Changes
At the beginning of next month I am going to have to move this website over to a new hosting provider because the current company hosting this website charges a lot of money for the amount of bandwidth I need every month. I have tried to negotiate some give and take with these guys but I can't get anyone to return my emails.
So I've been talking with Jon -- that's what married people do sometimes, talk. More often than not we finish each other's sentences and have an amazing ability to understand what the other is talking about when asked about the thing that goes with the thing over there on the thing. I've come to the decision that I want to do a redesign of this site in conjunction with the hosting provider move. I want to make a lot of improvements, add more features, and make this website an even better waste of your time.
Some of the things I'd like to see here include:
1. Search functionality
2. Better/more categorization of posts
3. A daily photograph
4. A monthly round-up of hate mail, love mail, and could take me or leave me mail, and my commentary on all of it
5. Adding back to the archives all the older posts that I have deleted
6. Lengthier descriptions of music, books and websites I'm enjoying
7. A site FAQ section, including an explanation on the tools I use to build this site
Now here's where I talk about the possibly controversial part: I want to try and make money with this website (Gasp. Sigh. Please alert the sell-out police.) This may seem too ambitious, and it may very well be too ambitious as this is a personal website that talks a whole lot about poop. But Jon and I have given this a lot of thought, and generating any sort of revenue from the site, however meager or paltry it may be, would help relieve at least a little bit of the burden Jon carries in supporting this family financially.
I've considered taking a job outside the home, but that would mean that I would probably have to give up this website. I don't possess the juggling skills to raise a baby and work a full or part-time job and maintain the amount of writing I have done here. This website brings me much happiness and joy, and it has been the most therapeutic part of my treatment for postpartum depression. Why not try to make a living out of it?
I've thought about getting a job writing a column for a magazine or newspaper, but I would inevitably be subjected to an editor in those circumstances, and editors always seem to suck the life out of whatever I've written (no offense to editors out there, you're good people, except for the one I dated in Los Angeles who used to proofread Honda brochures, my god, did he need to chill it on the correct usage of apostrophes, plus there was that one time he LOST IT when he couldn't watch a Notre Dame game, and I had to witness the near-choking of the bartender at an Irish bar on Fairfax because THE IRISH BAR WASN'T SHOWING THE NOTRE DAME GAME, OH MY GOD HOW COULD THEY CALL THEMSELVES IRISH?)
Unfortunately I'm not quite sure how to make money doing this. I applied for Google AdSense and they rejected me because of "Inappropriate language." Yes, that's right. Google wants nothing to do with me and my motherfucking fucker fucks, my poops and penile diseases, my nursing bras and engorged, cabbage-wrapped torpedo boobs. Here's what they actually said:
"We've found that your website contains content that isn't in compliance with our program policies. We don't allow websites with excessive profanity or potentially offensive content to participate in Google AdSense."
Somehow I feel rather proud.
I don't want to be edited or censored, and I would never alter the content of this site to qualify for an advertising program. My stance on this may leave me moneyless, but at least I'll have my dignity and you'll have my cabbage boobs.
Here's where I ask for your feedback on the idea of a redesign. I want your input. What would you like to see here?
(NOTE: NUDE PICTURES OF ME ARE NOT AN OPTION. DON'T EVEN ASK. Nude pictures of Chuck, however, coming soon!)
Have you got any ideas?
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1. Pixie said:
I know I don't want you to change the what your thinking, feeling guilty about, what your amused and annoyed at. I LOVE those. More photos of Chuck and baby are always welcome. Both are incredibly beautiful (and not only because she shares my bd, I swear it!!)
2. Kathleen said:
I, for one, look forward to all the ideas you mentioned.
As for the $$, you could have a Premium users section that would have all the extras and goodies for a certain fee per year or month.
The Usual users (or whatever) would get the 'edited' version. ;)
3. louisegyrl said:
you should solicit small businesses to advertise on your site. say $20/month for a 125x125 pixel ad that links to their web site. gather up your site stats and send that info to some small buinesses - sure some may think that the profanity is not a good thing, but if you target the right businesses it would work. I mean, seriously, how many visitors do you get in a month, hell in a DAY even? and they would all be tempted to click those little links. more traffic for the businesses, meaning more potential customers, and money for dooce. :)
4. paris said:
I think that what you listed above sounds perfect. More pictrues of Leta would be nice, she is soooo damn cute and I love seeing her online. And I would LOVE to see your feedback to your hate mail. Your hilarious on this website, I can only imagine how funny you are to those being nasty!!
5. Taira said:
Hey Heather! I'm a big fan of your site, and would probably pay to read your hillariousness! :) Hmmmm...Just off the top of my head, I'm thinking Dooce.com t-shirt ;) Or better yet, how about founding partners - those that are seriously interested in your success, each put up $500 and then receive a small percent of your financial windfall, that is sure to come your/our way!
As indicated - that was off of the cuff, after a longass week, so please keep me posted on what you decide and other ideas that come your way!
All the best, write on!
Taira
6. DeeGee said:
I would imagine that in your readership, there are businessfolks that would like to run ads for their wares... Perhaps you could advertise for these folks. Cool people want cool shit, and where do they go for their ideas? The pick the brains of their cool "friends", of course... That's where you come in! Tell us what we need to buy! ;-)
7. heather said:
All of those things you suggested are great! As far as making money, I don't know.... everyone seems to have a cafepress shop where they sell t-shirts and stuff. Perhaps stuffed animal versions of Chuck and Leta? Complete with little sound makers that bark or scream accordingly when squeezed?
8. Alana said:
You have a lot of visitors and I'm willing to bet a good percentage have their own blogs. Lots of lonely bloggers feel popular and loved when they get visitors.
You could take donations and post links to those who contributed on a donation page of sorts. You could charge extra to add a description/bold type/top of the list, etc.
Sell stuff. Get shirts printed or creep yourself out by how much people are willing to pay for things like: the shirt you wore yesterday, the glass you drank out of, the Q-tip you may or may not have used...
9. rebecca said:
Heather,
I've been reading you for months and haven't commented before. I totally support your ambition to make money off this site. You are an extremely talented writer.
I have been concerned with your depression and anxiety as I have experienced both myself (yes, enough for major meds as well. currently on Celexa and OK)
I digress. I admire your humor even while dealing with awful feelings. I would love to see more pics on the site and some of the
off the wall comments from readers. I think you have the talent to publish...submit a collection of your childrearing stories and your battle with pp depression...to the New Yorker no less...(minus profanity) :=)
Yes I know about editors but you WOULD make money.
Take care,
Rebecca in Denver
10. Cassie said:
Heather, Go for it, whatever you decide. I'd pay to read your stories about Leta & Chuck & am guessing quite a few other mamas would too? You always touch on great subjects & for me, at least, remind me to smile & take it easy with this whole motherhood thing.
Best of Luck!
Cassie
11. Sara said:
I really like this website. As a mother of an almost 6 month old (2/14/04)daughter, I can totally relate to your descriptions of how you want to put Leta's entire head in your mouth and other ways you want to eat her up. You are a very talented writer. You crack me the fuck up! I love reading your stories. I would like to see a picture a day and your feedback emails. Keep up the good work. I would miss you if you quit this!
12. Alana said:
Love Kathleen's idea!
The hate/love-mail + responses idea is awesome - I'd totally pay to see extra features like that.
13. Chloe said:
I would love to see more of dooce.com... that would be cool. I like the addons that you have planned. The moneymaking idea I am not sure. Maybe banners from some of the sites that sort of go towards your beliefs? You know one of those... click here and you get 10 cents or whatever for each click. But those just never look classy! I will keep thinking!
14. heather d said:
Cafepress.com maybe? You have great masthead designs, maybe you could turn them into t-shirts or something. (And just wanted to say I've been reading dooce since before Leta was born and I thoroughly enjoy your writing. And Leta is a doll! Maybe you could write a book on heathen infidel mommy-ing.)
15. Cassie said:
Heather, sorry to post 2x, but I'd also buy a shirt that says "Cabbage Boobs-so what?"...lol.
16. leandra said:
I would love the searchability, I was recently looking for a specific post and i wound up rereading half your archives (not a bad waste of time - mind you). More photos would be great and I personally would not object to contributing a small subscription fee to get more of your musings. I always look forward to new posts... thanks for opening up to all of us 'webfolk'. :)
17. christine said:
Ever since I somehow fell into your tractor beam (says Mrs. Kennedy) I have been unable to resist the urge to just check to see if you've added a new "column" I have to say, "Go for it". I'll just have to come up with a way to explain to my husband my NEED to read this woman's blog. I consider you the goddess of blog and aspire to someday grow up (even though I am much older!) to be like you. I'll never have your graphics and sharp wit though.
Please do not get yourself into a situation where you must edit yourself to make someone else happy. We love you because of your pure unadulterated honesty and occasional cuss word. And Jon and Leta and Chuck and.....
18. HG said:
Heather - Have you tried shopping your blog to any literary agents? Your web presence is rather large (I can't think of any blogs of the top of my head that I visit that don't link to you) and I think in a non-censored medium like a print version of Dooce, you'd do great. I'd buy it.
19. steph said:
How about some dooce shirts via CafePress? You could make a little money with that, and I'll pledge to buy a shirt - if you carry the women's babydoll T's with a dooce logo on the front. ;)
I know it's hard to balance all this motherhood and LIFE stuff and make money at the same time. Good luck.
20. Mikki said:
I second what Kathleen said. I'd totally pay to be a premium member. Hell... I'll sign up now!
:-)
21. freshbabe said:
Why not start an online community with message boards for lonley moms who are stuck at home with their kids all day (like me)? You could start a seperate blog for it with no profanity and then use Adwords to suck Google dry. There are a lot of young women out there who have webblogs, cabbage boobs *and* brains. I'm sure they would love to participate at cabbageboobs.com.
Good luck!
22. steph said:
Oh, and you could ebay the cabbage you were wearing in your bra a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure some pervert would pay top dollar from rotten cabbage worn by dooce's boobies. :P
23. Friday said:
Personally, I'd like to see a permanent comments section. I can't say for sure why you haven't opted for this yet, but I think that the potential for open dialogue would give your site an extra edge.
24. Jenn said:
I wanted to second the cafepress/masthead t-shirt idea. I'd buy "the t-shirt with the doocing".
25. samantha said:
A dooce t-shirt! Please! I want one!
I have no great ideas, just supporting whatever ch-ch-changes come around. I think the idea of a daily photograph is a dandy one, and I would pay MONEY to waste time on your site. I definitely want to read responses to the hate and love mail. Even if you make fun of us who send you love mail!
26. marko Savic said:
Hey, I love your website and didn't think it needs more to it, but props to you for thinking of those features! I'm borrowing some of your ideas for my new site redesign as well :)
As for making money, you can try a subscription for the site. $20/year x a plenty of readers will bring you a pretty penny. Also try using the Amazon Associates program when linking to books. You can always open a Cafe Press store, or, if you want to be more hands on learn how to screen print and start selling TShirts (through paypal, because its cheap and easy) or you can even try offering website design services out of your home.
Also, see if you can get your entries published. You can do it over CafePress, just format all your entries as [ insert image formate here ] and upload them to their server and have them print/bind/ship a book for you and you'll make [ insert overcharge here ] on each book. I'd buy 3. You could even throw in random pictures of Leta to sell more copies.
I wish you luck, and don't stop writing because you help keep me sane. And the hate mail would be a great addition to your site.
27. annakay said:
i am another one who would pay cash money to hear what you have to say and would buy a whole wardrobe if you went into the t-shirt business. if you do, be sure to include baby & child sizes. and dog gear!
28. danielle said:
Heather, my son was born just after Leta (02/09/04). I relate to, want, love and need this site. I would pay a small subscription fee to continue receiving it. I love the idea of selling stuff. I would buy a DOOCE t-shirt. Sell cool DOOCE Baby stuff... Coffee mugs and bottles!
I hope you keep writing!
29. Jess said:
Heather-
Really who needs a t-shirt.. I am all over the stuffed animal versions of Chuck and Leta. Try the pay for extras- love/hate emails, I am sure you can think up many witty bonus items for us all. Make money... oh and you really do rock by the way.
30. Michelle said:
I love your website! I am proud to say that I have only been getting about 5% of my shit done at work since I discovered dooce.com. I would be happy to pay for some juicy extras. And banner advertisments would help. Like those crazy ass cross stitches - things like that I would have never found (and purchased) had I not come across them on your site. I know I'm not the only one.
31. Anne said:
You get so much positive feedback on your photographs that I'm sure some people would be interested in buying them. You could consider selling prints ... I don't know if this is more aggravation than it's worth, but it's a thought. Good luck!
32. Katy said:
Heather,
I am a new mom too and I LOVE reading about your adventures with Leta, cabbage and just life in general. I think new moms would definitely pay for a little "real world" advice. There's so much to being a new mom that people dont talk about - PPD included.
More pics of you, Jon, Leta and Chuck would be icing on the cake!!!
If anyone can make this work, you can. Good luck!
33. Dawn said:
I can't believe I'm offering this up---charge us. Just a nominal fee($5/year?). Of course then you get into the "secure web site" thing, and I really don't know how much trouble that is.
34. Ellewiz said:
I would totally buy a dooce T-shirt, and what about just putting up a Paypal button? Lesser sites than yours are doing it!
35. Cece said:
I'm a creature of habit but the following would be cool with me (as if I count). Definitely Numbers 2, 3, 4, and 5.
Hey...I agree with some of the others about Marketing. Shirts, mugs, keychains, mousepads...I would buy that stuff up. Sell it on eBay too and you could make a killing!
Hell, I'm cool just cuz I read you. If I were walking around with a dooce shirt, I would be 10x's cooler.
36. emily said:
Ever since I happened upon your blog, when I was looking up information on remodeling kitchens, I've been addicted. You have a wonderful way with words, and talking out problems we all come across, so that we know we are not alone.
I would feel proud to be the owner of a dooce.com shirt, maybe with a picture of chuck ala noodles on his nose.
Also, with your wit and take on life, you could do a syndicated column, of course on a non censored site, cause what's the fun of that.
37. mihow said:
1). You could have readers register and pay a monthly fee. I know this is probably pretty hard to set up. If that's the case, perhaps you could use the PayPal option for Merchants. I am pretty sure you'll accomplish two things this way.
a). You're bound to have subscribers and in turn make money.
b). You'll probably get rid of the negative crap that comes your way because when people are forced to give up a full name and/or a VALID email, they're not as quick to call you a "Stupid Mother Fucker".
It's a thought.
2) If you don't like the idea of not having the Web site entirely public, perhaps you can leave comments on, but only allow paid members to comment maybe even read them.
3). You could add an area where people can start threads, leave comments about threads, and so on and make only that section a subscription base.
4). You might charge other writers/bloggers money to advertise they're personal sites on here--month to month?
Either way, I'm pretty sure people will sign up and pay to read your site.
38. The Former Inmate said:
Well, this site has provided entertainment (and more than a modicum of insight) for over two years now. I say you've got some pretty darn interesting content here. Why not compile it into a book? Something you could read as "The Journal of Dooce".
Yes, you would be subject to editors, but I would say it's still worth a shot. I'm sure more excessively profane and potentially offensive stuff has been published before.
I think you could do a heck of a job designing it, what with mastheads and musical recommendations and pictures of Chuck and what not. Best of all, it would be portable.
Just my idea.
39. jess said:
You could try Blog Ads advertising. I don't know much about them, but I'm sure that people would love to advertise their blogs on your site - because you're awesome and you get a lot of traffic.
Or you could try the Amazon Associates thing. (bloggers link (either via text, images or actual advertisements) to Amazon products or pages. If people purchase after following these links they take a small comission from Amazon, either for cash or gift vouchers.)
40. erin said:
I would subscribe too. Maybe subscription for everything except the current post?
41. Jeff said:
I must say, I'm not a big fan of pay content on the web, but I doubt you're considering that option much. I think you're an incredibly talented writer. I know nothing about writing as a profession, but aren't there publications out there you could get a stay-at-home job with? I wouldn't mind visiting a commercial site with advertisements to read your articles, so I'd love to see you get published.
I'd love to see you writing for a major print or web publication and be compensated for your talents. Whatever you do, keep up the writing and don't lose your core fan base.
42. Jo said:
I, for one, check in here daily - sometimes bi-daily incase you ever post twice, LOL - and I think I'd pay to read. You're an excellent writer and photographer, seriously. I would love to see you write every day if you can, as sometimes you go every-other, and seeing that it's your personal business to write whenever you dang-well (in the interest of not contributing smut to your site, ha!) please, if you could make this a "job" for yourself and write even more often, heck, I'd be loggin' on every morning with my coffee. Go for it; people subscribe to newspapers for their favorite columnists. I'd say you have quite a following - best o' luck.
Waiting on the nudes of Chuck - waiting....
43. Alan said:
Since Google Ads are out, would BlogAds work for you? With the amount of traffic you get, I'm sure that advertisers would be interested.
44. Rachel said:
Two words:
Book Deal.
I would be the first on line at my local Barnes and Noble to purchase my very own in print copy chock full of Leta, cabbage, and anti-Mormon jokes.
On the website issue, I would love to read some of the old posts that you deleted off the archives and I would also love to see you make fun of people who send you nasty emails.
On a side note: I showed my mom your website yesterday (I've been reading since March and adore it) and the first words out of her mouth were "This woman should have a column on the New York Times op-ed page." Though I know you and the Times are not the best of pals, maybe you should consider the column thing, though I would never want to see you compromise your wit.
45. giddy said:
I actually like that you only open up comments selectively. It's fun to read what your readers grew up calling their private parts, for example, but most of the time comments aren't particularly fascinating.
I also like the idea of selling T-shirts, etc. You DO have an incredible web presence, not to mention mentions off the web (I saw your site mentioned in the Indianapolis Star just 2 weeks ago in an article about blogging about your workplace....)
As far as charging for viewing content, I'm not so sure. I mean, I know I'm cheapskate and just don't want to lose you, but if you charged for any access at all I'm sure you'd lose a lot of readers (including aforementioned cheapskate), and they'd miss you. (Not that they wouldn't understand, mind you.) But maybe it would work to charge for certain "better" features. I also think you could probably get some this stuff sold in book form. Or what about a dooce.com calendar combining your photography with great quotes from the site? You could even do several calendars--the "work-theme" calendar for people to put up at work (with work-friendly photos and themes), a stay-at-home mom calendar, etc., to satisfy all your various readers (and by diversifying, sell more calendars!)
Good luck. And BTW, since comments ARE open, let me express my jealousy of your new delicate-strapped bras. Even non-pregnant and non-nursing, I have to wear the 6-lane highways. At the moment, I am pregnant, so it's more like 12-lane highways wrapped around enormous cement trucks.....
46. Robynf said:
Start a home daycare, hire someone else to look after the kids while you spend the day updating your site with pictures and footage of the kids during the day. Parents can see what the kids are up to at the sitters and amuse then with funny stories to read while they waste the day away at work!
47. steph said:
Hi Heather,
I thoroughly second the emotions of everyone else's posts! This website absolutely lights up my day and I would be really disappointed if dooce went away. As far as $$ making: dooce.com/cabbage boobs t-shirts I really think would be a huge seller. Also, why not self publish some writing? I guarantee you could sell volumes of your writing online and at alternative bookstores. I'm thinking of Ayun Halliday of "East Village Inky" fame...
48. Joy said:
Unfortunately I wouldn't pay to read your site though I do love it! If you want to charge for extra goodies, that's fine, just please don't make us pay to read your hilarious posts!
49. Weasel said:
PLEASE do not resort to working for The Man, censoring yourself, or giving "us" up. It's not about YOU anymore - it's about your loyal fans!!! =)
I have been wondering why there weren't DOOCE products available - I for one would buy several, and I would feel instant affinity for anyone I saw wearing a DOOCE shirt or sporting a DOOCE bumper sticker. I hereby reserve the right to the first officially sanctioned Idaho personalized license plate that says DOOCE. If you were to require special permission ($$$) to have said license plates (one in each state), and go after copyright infringers (nonpayers) with a vengeance, I would SO pay for that privilege.
Meantime, definitely consider Cafe Press, and please don't resort to the cluttered and "cheap" looking wee adds that people can click so you get 10c a link or whatever. You are so much better than that. You are QUALITY.
By the way I fixed the antivirus / no pictures issue about which I previously emailed you. All is well in my world now. Thanks for rockin' my world.
50. v said:
I would totally become a "premium member." Going on three years now and your posts are like my first cup of coffee in the morning. Good luck!
51. Jennifer said:
dooce.com greeting cards
You could put Congressman Chuckles on front. Who wouldn't be a sucker for that?
52. Lylah said:
I like the idea of a free dooce.com and a pay-for-amazing-access dooce.com. That, and Dooce.com bourbon. Mmmmmm.....
And maybe a dooce.com onesie for babies. I'd put one on my kiddo in an instant. Well, more than an instant -- you know how squirmy babies are.
53. christa said:
i will pay. i'll def. buy dooce swag. i've been reading for... well, years and will do my part for the leta armstrong college fund.
54. kelley said:
i second the idea of having
"small businesses to advertise on your site. say $20/month for a 125×125 pixel ad that links to their web site."
as long as they're not annoying and look tidy.
i also second the cafepress options.
and maybe make the donate button BOLD....
55. aubs said:
Though you're wearing the "Google dissed me" badge of honor, I'm actually pretty annoyed at my company. (And by "my" I of course mean that they pay my mortgage, not that I'm Larry or Sergey here.) Knowing a bit about the AdSense program, I wouldn't classify your site as having too much profanity and hell, it's NECESSARY. What would they like you to call your cabbage boobs - cabbage mammary organs? Anyway, that pisses me off.
Enough about my rant & rave - there ARE other sites that offer advertising programs - hate to say it, but I know Overture offers ContentMatch but am not 100% certain you can get on it the way you could with AdWords. However, there are a few others - I know Sarah Hatter uses some (though not sure who) and there's MarketBanker. Basically, w/your design skills, you should be able to incorporate some ads into the site w/o it looking commercialized.
In the meantime, I'm gonna go kick some Google AdSense ass. They don't know what they're missing.
56. ecc said:
I second (third?) the blogads.com recommendation. Sites like Gawker, Wonkette, et al use them and (besides the obnoxious banner at the top) they don't look too bad. The ones off in the far right column don't detract much from the content in my opinion. Plus, check out what they charge. Not sure how high your hits are in comparison, but it's an idea...
I would pay to read this site, too, but I dunno... "closing" the site might take something away from it.
57. Greg said:
Ha ha! It's amazing you'd even have to say "no nude pics"! People are idiots!
So...how about semi-clothed?
58. Marc said:
While I can understand your resistance to working with an editor, I think you're an incredible writer and you should think again about selling either collections of your writing in book form or as articles in a magazine. Right now, Paul Graham's "Hackers and Painters," a hardcover book which is available almost in its entirety on his Web site, is Amazon's #710 bestselling book. You won't make a killing on such a book, but I'd guess you'll make as much as Google AdWords would have given you. If someone can be a great editor for all the far-more-cantankerous authors out there, someone can do it for you.
Anyway -- I'd hate to see ads since the visual design is part of the pleasure of your site, and your "traffic" is far less valuable than your ideas and humor and truth.
59. grass said:
i think you should appeal to google and get the backing from your readers - a published online petition protesting google's policies. as a childless person i am only guessing here, but i'm thinking the words google doesn't like: poop/breasts/penile diseases, are fairly common in mama blogs (maybe not the last one, but still). i think we should all be greatly insulted that google has the "badsense" (terrible pun i know, but i couldn't resist) to try to censor mothers. certainly there are enough militant mamas and non-mamas here to write to google and raise a stink worse than leta's formula-fed diapers. once google comes around, start raking in the dought!
60. The Former Inmate said:
OK, just thought of something else.
How about sharing some of your exceptional Mormon-God-given talent with the rest of the world?
You could write online tutorials (or, if you find a way to secure them, in a downloadable format) about what you do best: photography, writing, design, decoration, infant care....well, maybe not infant care.
Anyway, I think I would pay to acquire some of the coveted mad Dooceskillz. You did know they are coveted, right?
61. Katherine said:
Ok, I'm sorry. I continue to tell friends, relatives, strangers, and yes, even that one lady at the grocery store buying cabbage (because I needed to know if it was going in her bra since she was pushing a baby in her grocery cart) to come to your site and bask in everything that is dooce.com. That was me. I caused you to go over your bandwith again. But don't think that I wasn't feeling guilty about it, because I was. I thought about emailing you to tell you that you should cancel Leta's college fund because this month's bill would be a whopper, but then I was afraid. Afraid that I would never make it to the People We Should Party With list. And who knows, I may go to Utah someday and need someone to party with. People who say words that Google Adsense would never allow and who wrap pasta around their dogs nose.
So in reading your post I started to think, "What would I do to contribute to the financial success of this site (besides sending you more bandwith)?" and I didn't know. But after reading some replies, I'm sure that I would buy snappy DOOCE.com gear if you were to sell something that I could wear. Then you see, I wouldn't have to tell strangers about your site, they would just see my T-Shirt or lunch bag and rush to buy their own.
Other things I might consider doing:
+ Pay for premium membership which I think should consist of the ability to comment and get your posts via email (also reducing your bandwith)
+ Send you things you need for Leta in the way of Amazon wishlist stuff (because every baby needs a copy of Kill Bill 2 on DVD)
+ Buying prints of your photographs because I want to fill my house with pictures of you and Jon and Leta, and Chuck and tell all my friends that we are sisters - see I even cut my hair like yours. Ok, not really... But you do have some photos of like, trees and mountains and stuff. Maybe you can put something inspiring under the photo like, "Ahhh the mountains... so much better when there isn't The Screaming"
+ And if I would ever get off of my own projects and onto developing for other people, I'd maybe, possibly, give a glimmer of a thought in the direction of putting a link to my website on here. See, rather than advertise my OWN website shamelessly, I'd wear my dooce.com t-shirt all over and people would come to your site, see my link, and Viola! I would get some action. (That's good marketing right there...)
62. Carrie said:
umm, I would LOVE to see the love mail, and the hate mail. great idea.
i think if you asked for donations through paypal, you would probably be inundated with them. although that's probably not a steady source of income, it's definitely a beginning.
and i would totally buy dooce.com t-shirts, stuffed toy versions of chuck and john, and most of all, a book written by you, or even just a published compilation of your posts. you have an amazing gift for writing and you should so be making money doing it.
thanks for asking our opinions! you rock.
63. susaroo said:
I, for one, would love to see some of the techie stuff you mentioned - about how you run and design the site. I have great ideas for my blog, but am stuck in typepad. I think a premium subscription is a good idea - put the extras on there, but leave the regular posts free. I also like the small business ad idea. I'd advertise my small business and my husband's here. I love your blog, love it love it love it and hope you can find a way to make a living from it.
64. Stephen McKenna said:
Manufacturers of baby gear, especially baby bjorn, McClaren, and Nikon, should be paying you fist fulls of money for all the referals you're giving them. My wife is 10 weeks pregnant and we constantly refer to your site for product purchasing advise. Because if Dooce needs it, we're going to need it. There is no other source on the internet that we would trust our baby to more than you Dooce!
65. Kim said:
you should make money by compiling all your pregnancy and post-pregnancy baby-related blogs into a book.
66. Kim said:
you should make money by compiling all your pregnancy and post-pregnancy baby-related blogs into a book.
67. Shawn said:
I really don't know how to make money off your site, but I can say that I've used an awsome (and cheep) web hosting company called herwebhosting.com
I love your blog, and would like to be able to say I would pay to read it, but in truth I probably wouldn't - only because I'm lazy and cheep.
68. grass said:
p.s. i'd way rather buy dooce swag than pay for premium service. considering that blog readership turns over quite a bit, i think it would be hard to attract new readers if they don't get access to the best/funniest stuff. i've been reading for a year or so, and check you obsessively, but i can't say for sure i'd pay for premium service- might cause a bit of a backlash among faithful readers. i'm also a cheapskate and didn't upgrade to movable type 3.0 cause that wasn't free either. now a chuck doll? that's another story. i'd buy one of those. and i'd check you even if there were pop-ups every 2.0 seconds.
69. xz said:
gosh. that's a lot of comments i didn't read.
MCFrontalot (frontalot.com) has a "valued sucker program." basically, he just asks for money from people who like what he does. and he gets it. enough to pay for his site. he sends some little gifty things to people who give a bunch, like over $25 or something.
he doesn't keep stuff from the public site to entice donations or anything like that. he just asks for money and gets it.
what could be more satisfying?
70. Jeanine said:
Hey single working woman here,
I would buy a tee shirt. I would invest. (see #5) You are a very courageous woman. You share with all of us who read your site. I'll wager we would share back.
I know I would. Let me know where to send the money...
71. Mrs. Kennedy said:
1. I'd buy a t-shirt.
2. I'd probably pay $5 for a year's subscription, or, you could hit me up for $2 a month and I wouldn't even feel it.
3. The Associates program has made me about .04 cents so far, but I'm sure you have triple my traffic.
4. You could team up with Loobylu and make chuck dolls.
72. Sally D said:
Having birthed my first babe in January, I relate completely to all that you write. I first enjoyed all your wit and humour during my (and your) pregnancy, and now look forward to all your comments and pictures when I can sneak you in. I quite enjoy your use of profanity! Heck, I think even my mother has gained an appreciation for your use of the F word!
My thoughts for making $$:
1. T-shirts - not the best idea, but yup, I'd buy one!
2. on-line newsletter? - charge to deliver a daily dose of dooce to our email.
3. I love the idea (freshbabe's) of an on-line community. I'm currently on a couple that lack the ability to appreciate my momentary spurts of wit and wisdom.
4. You NEED to write a book! Or two! Perhaps you could compile your entries from this site and put together different collections for different interests. I wish I could purchase all your thoughts during your pregnancy, and give it to my pregnant sister to read. And your version of "What to Expect the First Year" could make you tons!
5. You can always do what I do. Scrounge the house for crap to sell on ebay. Gets me enough spare change to buy me coffee, and hopefully I can save enough for a new rocking chair in time for my next baby so I don't have to deal with this aching back again!
I wish you all the best. You truly are an inspiration.
73. Brittney said:
I would continue to read dooce no matter what changes were made. Unless, of course, you lost your sense of humor. Since I don't see that happening, I'll just keep coming back to look into this reflection of myself: a mother, living in Utah, who spares nothing and no one when it comes to writing with humor and honesty. Okay, so maybe that last part isn't so much a reflection of me, but...
74. shivery said:
actually--the idea of t-shirts (such as prints for your photos; a friend of mine does this through www.deviantart.com)and other merchandise is a good one...i mean, if you ask any musician, they'll say that most of their income comes from the swag they sell at shows as opposed to their music itself. definitely worth thinking about.
75. nessa said:
searchability: awesome. a forum or permanent comments: double awesome.
i would pay for cafepress swag and/or "premium" memberships with access to more pictures because you totally kick out the jams. however, that's a lot of hassle for a small return, which won't even be close to the equivalent of a salary. and print work--it's a bear.
i think the especially brilliant and full of potential big money idea is that posted above, about a web community for parents who don't suck. it would be a lot of work and investment, but the income stream and the creative/technical challenges would be crazy rewarding.
shoot, i mean you all remodeled that pretty kitchen, right? armstrongs are tuff!
76. deirdre said:
I'm not sure about making money off the website, but you did mention writing for editors. What about a column for a newspaper that isn't as uptight as most. We have a couple in Philly--one is http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/ and the editors for newspapers like that don't seem to care about expletives. Columns like Savage Love use expletives all the time. You have such a hard-core reading audience already, that any column you write would be very, very popular!
77. DeAnn said:
Have you thought of other ad services? Because you have enough readers that you probably could make decent money if we all clicked on the ads. I know I'd be more than willing!
78. bbmeatloaf said:
Our local alternative-weekly taxicab-driving columnist (www.yohackie.com) just self-published a collection of his stories. He says he has already broken even, so now he's making money, and considering a 2nd printing as well as a follow-up book. Publish the best from the archive!
79. me said:
Here are my thoughts:
Paying to be able to read stories or visit your site is a bad idea. Adding annoying banners and ads is also a bad idea. Basically please don't do anything to annoy us regular people. As much as I love your site, I would very easily drop interest if you exploited everyone. Seems shirts and mugs and optional things are good. You're a smart girl. Hopefully you will look at your options and know what would annoy you if you visited a site...and stay away from adding it to yours! Much luck and I love your writing.
80. beck said:
I'm all for the changes, especially the daily photograph! As I read through the first part of your post I thought to myself, "you know, Heather needs to make money off this somehow." And then I read that you wanted too. I don't know HOW but, yeah you need to. Too many people laugh too often for it to be free. =)
81. Ariel said:
Heather, remember last year when I emailed you because I was working for a webhosting company that was talking about "sponsoring" bloggers' hosting costs in exchange for street cred? I ended up quitting that job, but I'm guessing that a high profile site like yours would garner you a free dedicated server somewhere. Then, any money you make from subscriptions, shwag, etc, would be money in your pocket.
82. kim said:
Heather- I think it is a matter of time before some publisher wants to give you a book deal and lots of money. Try shopping your blog content to some publishers. You could totally do it.
I would pay to be a premium member but how bout $25 a year or something instead of a monthly fee (like a totalfark memership) and hell yeah on the t-shirts. Also, what about selling prints of some of your more artistic photos?
83. Rebeka said:
Your site is da bomb! I have to agree with everyone, this is a very nice way to waste time. As for charging us poor pitiful dooce addicts money to read your stuff, that would be so cruel. I am up for a funny dooce baby-t or maybe a stuffed Chuck with spaghetti around his snout. I would totally buy something like that.
Cheers!
84. konolia said:
Google turned YOU down and accepted Metafilter??? People over there use all the words you do and then some.
My suggestion is email Matt Haughey and ask him for suggestions. He wasn't always a Google consumer.
Or at the very least just put a donation button on yer page.
85. beck said:
Someone up there mentioned selling dooce.com merchandise. I'm TOTALLY for that. I'd love a cool-looking Dooce shirt. =)
I know that www.secretagentjosephine.com makes her own shirts/designs. Ah hah. I'ts at cafe press. http://www.cafeshops.com/secret_agent_jo
86. Saladwhore said:
It all sounds way wonderful and I look forward to the new and improved Dooce. However I don't like the idea someone had of a "members only" area and those who cannot pay would get an edited version of you. :( THat' not fair to those of us who have no means to pay... On another note, that photo of Leta in the airport is my favorite Leta photo EVER! :-D
87. spygeek said:
So many people get turned off by monthly subscriptions that I would suggest going the advertising and mechandising route before doing that. If you do want to do shirts or whatever, you may want to look further than cafepress and go for something a little more unique. Cafepress has reached a saturation level IMHO.
88. Rori said:
I did not have time to read all 79. So sue me if I duplicate...
definitely a cafe press shirt...
Check out nancies.org. They have some kind of deal where readers of the site can buy ads.. so like I could buy an ad on YOUR site to get people to come read MY blog.
Become a product referral whore. Some of these people who blog EVERY DAMN DAY about some new product they have used at Sephora.com and they get referral $ or points.
Look at erosblog.com to see what kind of ads he runs, maybe some of them would work? *giggles*
89. grass said:
P.P.S. Fellow commentators: PROTEST GOOGLE ADSENSE HERE: https://www.google.com/adsense/contact
90. Audra said:
Oh Dooce! I love your site content, both in words and pictures as well as your design. I would love to see more and sign me up for a tshirt. Look what the SaveKaryn.com chick did - now she has a book deal. I support your move!
Google Adsense told me the same thing! One little IPO and they are like NO SWEARING!
Also, your daughter is gorgeous. Good luck - I will stay tuned!
91. Lindsey said:
Oooh who wouldn't want a fabby stuffed version of Leta that bleasts like a goat when you squeeze it's tummy? (Or look at it wrong) Can you say 'Christmas Gift'? Hmmm, idea's to make money, let's see:
1. Have people pay to read, even if it's only a $1 a person per month, you've got lots of readers :)
2. Fabby Dooce-A-Licious items would sell like mad I bet, cafepress could work.
3. Compiling entries into a book would be quite rad.
4. Maybe start a webzine kind of thing for stay@home moms.
5. Charge a small fee to have people advertise on dooce.com
6. T-Shirts w/ 'Vote Chuck' on them???
Good Luck Doll! Man, just look at all these people that would pay just to read about your daily life, what a confidance booster!
92. nick said:
I have to say, it would freak me out at least a little bit to know that someone was *paying* to read about my life on a blog. I'd go the banner ad way, even though many consider it a sell-out.
93. Jason said:
All the features you've suggested are wonderful, but all take even more of your valuable time.
Not to sound like an MBA dud (which, um... I am), but if you really want to plan this out AND make money AND stay at home AND support John, you need a business model that justifies all this time. You know, spreadsheets and strategy and all that boring stuff.
Incremental sales of coffee mugs are not your answer, and neither is direct-selling advertising to companies that may or may not want to endorse you (no offense to those who suggested those things, but I have a wife/mother-of-my-1-year-old-daughter at home as well, and her time is much more important than cold-calling companies for a 125x125 ad).
Of course, this assumes the primary payment you want is $ and not wishlist materials.
Because Google turned you down (and won't likely come around now that they'll be public soon), the BlogAds.com suggestion sounds like a good starting point. You could also try http://www.marketbanker.com/mb/, a la Gizmodo.com. The Amazon Associates program also sounds good, but again, this sounds pretty small over the long run b/c it's based on how many people buy AFTER clicking through your links.
If those are not up your alley, you may have to make the tough decision to see if you feel like a subscription would justify some of the lost readership you'll definitely experience. But the pricing strategy is a tough question, as those who have tried it have sometimes been burned.
Finally, there's one last thought -- get in with a network of new media types, like Weblogs, Inc. or Gawker. They reportedly do not pay all that well, but better than your current alternative.
Best of luck!
94. Erin said:
First time commenter, long time reader.
1. Those cute links to "listening to" etc...have them go to a place to purchase. Might add some dollars.
2. BOOKS!! One of your previous links to "reading" has one now. http://www.ironycentral.com/babymain.html
3. Collectable junk. man do I want a pair of dooce boy-cut underpants!
4. I really want to see the love/hate mail...mostly the hate mail. I want to hate those people too.
95. Valerie L. said:
I would totally pay extra for the extras! :-)
96. Shelley Noble said:
The first baby/first year book is a homerun/slamdunk-- any smart publishers out there?! (And if your not out there you should be, Dooce is where it all happens if your paying attention)
97. melanie said:
i think there have been some great suggestions, and i'm neither very business- or web-minded (much less the two combined), so i've nothing to contribute along those lines. i can, however, fulfill my role as consumer. and in that capacity, i'd definitely pay to view this site, and i'd probably buy a t-shirt, too. as far as your stance on editors goes, i say stick to your guns. your writing is entertaining & heartwarming & hilarious just the way it is. are there any publishing bigwigs out there reading this? help our dooce! by the way, i love that your lovely husband is so supportive of your endeavor.
98. Picanuttalli said:
T-shirt: No one knows my breasts are wrapped in cabbage leaves.
And then your url on the back.
Also, I'd pay a modest subscription to read your site.
99. Maxigumee said:
If you were to design and publish a book of all of your blog posts on CafePress, I would TOTALLY buy it! Dooce.com t-shirts would also be AWESOME! Please make t-shirts! And other dooce.com stuff! Then I could collect them all!!!!! :D
100. girlwonder said:
i can always tell when the comments are open, b/c my scrollbar goes psycho. i say fuck what anybody thinks, sell out, jump the shark, kick the can (or..err..something) and do what the hell you want to do with it. dooce is like the kathy griffin of blogs (and i mean that in a great way). you own it, you do what you wanna do with it.
101. myriam said:
I love your site and hope you will continue!!!
I think you should register the name 'dooce', get a trademark or something. Check out doteasy.com, they have cheap hosting offers.
102. Maggie said:
Personally I would buy swag to support your site. Bring on the swag.
103. lunac718 said:
Well, now that you've been giving me the stuff for free for so long, I would definitely pay to keep the supply coming. I also would be interested in a Dooce T-shirt or coffee mug or other merchandise.
Publishing the hate mail and your responses is an excellent idea. I would love to see what the hell these idiots are sending to you. Publishing their email addresses would be lovely as well, so we Dooce fans can share the love...
104. iLLa said:
i'd pay for a subscription, especially with the new features and especially if there was an option to pay once yearly with visa...
can't rokk a t-shirt about cabbage leaves...but some of your banner sayings would work.
105. Kimberly said:
You're not going to like my answer. At least not part of it. Here's the part you will like: I love reading your journal. You're really a great writer.
Here's the part you'll hate: Getting money out of me is damn near impossible. First, because I don't have a lot, and second because I never pay for the cow if I can get the milk for free.
I will tell you the things I would give money for though: There's a movie review site I adore www.screenit.com I share his taste in movies and I appreciate that he doesn't try to tell me what movies are appropriate for my kids. He just gives the lowdown on what conservative people would find objectionable and let's you decide if your kid can handle it. I've never given him any money though, because although I'd be happy to donate to the cause to get rid of the pop-ups and use the member features, I think the price he's wants is too high. I'd give him $5, which is more than I spend on newspapers these days. I think he wants $20. Too much. I sent him an email once saying he should arrange to sell relevant merchandise on his site, like videos, dvds, movie posters, t-shirts, etc., but it didn't appeal to him.
So basically, I'll buy things from someone's site if it's something I'd buy anyway. And I'll donate a token amount if I just really like the person. But that's about it.
I suggest you tie-in your website to another business. Like t-shirts for the non-conformists, i.e., I used to be a Mormon, then I grew up.
106. Becky said:
I would pay to get a "premium" type membership and maybe leaving old archives available and the current home page post free (to suck more people in and those who don't want to pay would still get to read your newest as long as they caught it before the next one goes up). But like the MBA pointed out, what really the best business plan would be and it could take some research to figure out if you should charge, how much, would it be worth it for the potential number of readers who might be turned off.
I love all your photos and would love to see even more. I agree with someone above who suggested tutorials--digital photography and photoshop for sure.
Finally, as far as t-shirts and swag, go, my favorite phrase or yours that always makes me giggle: Motherfucking Festive!
That would make a great holiday t-shirt.
107. Andy Baio said:
I probably shouldn't tell you this, but you can get around the "offensive content" guidelines from AdWords by getting approval for another website first (maybe your husband's?), and then adding Dooce to the account after approval.
It's a very simple backdoor, and Google doesn't appear to mind.
108. Maxigumee said:
.....or...... You could just make little banners that say "Your Ad Here." AND you could design the ads for the people so they match your site! YAY!
109. Ryal said:
Heather, you crack me up, what with the lovely screaming Leta, the too adorable doggie and the attack of the diseased penile! I NEED my Dooce infusion of (in)sanity to spice up my otherwise painfully dull days--I can't do without your weird family, boob stuffed cabbages and fucking fucks. I only subscribe to Salon, but to keep you around, I'd shell out to you, too.
110. samantha said:
yes, a Dooce book - you're hilarious and remind me of Anne Lamott - like you could be her funkier, Mormon sister. Or cousin. Bring on the DOOCE BOOK!! I would read it while wearing my dooce t-shirt.
111. kmoka said:
I don't let a single day go by without checking this site. Last week was pure hell since the internet was "dooceless" while you were on vacation. I have told all of my family, friends and coworkers about this site (oh and about TiVo) and they all love it. Please don't go! I would be willing to pay a subscription fee to read this site. Life without dooce would be life without TiVo. UGH! Oh, and I would pay double to read the hate emails that you get. :)
112. Lisa said:
Jesus H. Christ! This has been up, what an hour? And your comments number in the hundreds? I thought you and I had an intimate relationship Heather and you seem to be getting comments from a lot of people, not just me. Makes a girl feel less than special....
In light of the comments, make this a damn subscription and make money. We would all pay for it obviously. And I don't pay for anything on the web, use the free day pass on Salon every day. I would pay for you.
I love to read you so much, my only hope is that you would post every 20 minutes. Okay every day or so would be fine.
You would be my hero if you get this to work and don't have to get a job "out there" with clean clothes and being nice to shitty co-workers. Go for it !
113. Ariadna said:
Very stoked to see your hate and love mail.
114. Sheri said:
Dooce merchandise at cafepress.com might be a start.
You probably already have someone in mind, but if not, I adore my web site host. That's right, adore. f5hosting.com. Been with them for years.
115. Heidi said:
Go for it! Make some fat stacks of dough. I vote too for the dooce schwag ala Cafe Express. I think "Maternal Inferno" mugs & undies would sell like gangbusters.
You should also consider contracting out your mad graphix design skillz. You make some really excellent mastheads and I think you should shop your work around. Unless of course Mr. Dooce is doing those. Then he should consider contracting out those skills. Very nice work either way.
Best of luck!
116. dansays said:
I think a PayPal or Amazon Honor System tip jar would be the simplest and most effective solution. Or... OR... you could make it a college fund for Leta. People may be more inclined to donate if they knew it was going towards a worthy cause, rather than another bottle of Maker's Mark. Not that, you know, another bottle of Maker's Mark isn't a worthy cause.
"Like what you read? Donate a few bucks so my baby can get herself some fancy book learnin' when she's all growns up."
117. Rubber-Sol said:
A yearly fee sounds good to me. I would HAPPILY pay for a subscription to your site....in fact, sometimes I feel kinda guilty that I'm getting such goodness for free. REALLY!
118. Maxigumee said:
You could maybe do web design..... I like you're site's design, and a lot of other people probably do..... so, yeah. Do web design!
119. Michelle said:
Have you thought about selling some of your photography? I know a lot of it is personal and obviously you probably do not want to sell photos of the family but I have seen it done before and I for one would pay $25 for those shots of Chuck with the noodles wrapped around his nose! You are an amazing photographer as well as an amazing writer and I think there is potential for some revenue there.
120. Karin said:
Here are a few ideas
#1 Cafe Press
its easy its free its pretty hassle less and you have a HUGE selection of stuff to choose from....
Calendars
mugs
tshirts
journals
you can even selfpublish there now
Also you can feature your photographs maybe do limited edition stuff like an image of the month and offer that image for just that month and next month do another image get some collectors started with the "dooce gear"
Also you could find something that you can make easily and quickly in your home and integrate a shopping cart on your website where people can "buy candles"
or "Buy Doocey advice"
lol $1 for your troubles kinda thing hook it into paypal donate buttons or pay now buttons and voila'.
There are a few ideas anyway...
121. Kristen Harrison said:
PayPal seems like the best way to do it. If it became a subcription only site, you'd lose a ton of people. You could go for voluntary contributions or you could make the general site free, but the extras a subscriber part. I would pay more to read the love/hate/indifferent email part. Also, if you need a side job, you might look at this one. My best friend made $1000 her first week. I'm a skeptic too - but I saw her paystubs and signed up.
122. Regan said:
someone has probably suggested this (I am WAY too lazy to read all the comments before mine) but Amazon has an "associates" program. You pick what kind of ad you want, and what you want it for, and they give you the html for it. You can make money on it, as long as people click on the ad and buy whatever it is the ad is for. I have cleverly disguised this on my site under such headings as "I am reading..." or "I am listening to...". I have yet to make a dime, but being that your readership is about 1000 times what mine is, it might actually work for you.
123. Kenneth said:
Cool swag would bring in a few farthings, and might also serve as advertising to drive more potential readers/swag buyers to the site.
A "Daily Dose of Dooce" e-mail might be worth something to me; I could more discreetly read an e-mail at work than I can your snazzy, but obviously un-work-related, website. ;-) Perhaps combine it with a batch of aforementioned "extras" on the site to woo the niggardly?
124. Michelle said:
I want to nominate the dooce.com tee shirt and coffee mugs or dog gear! I have no kids and I would pay to keep reading your site as well. I just find your writing sheer talent, amazingly insightful and a great read....cafepress seems to be a highly nominated idea! I would also pay a small fee to have you link my site to yours. As long as you keep writing I will do what I can to help.
125. Tessa said:
Modest Subscription? Yes.
A t-shirt? Oh, yes.
Greeting cards? Oh very yes.
And, you've opened my eyes about how pregancy can really be. I do second (third, eightyth, whatever) the 'what to expect' pregnacy book.
I wish you the best on your endeavors!
126. Suzy said:
What's the possibility of having some sponsors? Yes, advertisements. There is no doubt that most of us here are parents and if not, we have at least bought baby items for friends and family. Surely there are some more progressive companies who realize that motherhood isn't all sugar & spice, that might be tolerant of the "doocizims" that we all know and love! You certainly have enough traffic to support some ads!
127. maddy said:
I think selling advertising space on your main page would be pretty easy to do. I'm sure your site stats would impress any small-to-medium sized business! Enough dooce fans could be persuaded to 'please click on a link!' to make it worth their while.
128. Caroline said:
Unfortunately I'll have to agree with the few who are not keen on the idea of paying for extras. Even though I like your writing a lot and read every post. I like the accessiblity and free-ness of stuff on the web too much.
With this model, I know you could maintain basic posts for free but in order to entice people to pay, i'd think you'd have to offer them quite a bit more and so i'm worried that most of the good shit would be hidden unless i paid. You might just lose people there.
Cafepress T-shirts and such are a GREAT idea. Easy to implement and I would buy something. Baby and dog gear seems so fitting.
Liking the swag idea a lot more than the subscriptions idea. Id totally get stuff for friends of mine who are having babies. Spreads the word too.
129. lisa said:
i'd pay a "premium user" fee to hear about your cabbage boobs! this site brings huge chuckles to my days.
do an rss feed for premium members or something
130. Mish said:
I would offer a premium edition for around $20 a year to read all the hate/funny/idiotic emails you must get. I wouldnt look at it as a "subcription" but more as helping w/ diaper money.
131. Mish said:
I would offer a premium edition for around $20 a year to read all the hate/funny/idiotic emails you must get. I wouldnt look at it as a "subcription" but more as helping w/ diaper money.
132. Amy said:
You could put prints up for sale like most photologs tend to do. Well, not of Leta or Jon but like the landscape-y pictures and all. They're nice.
For a columnist job, an online newspaper would be nice so you wouldn't have to go anywhere except your home.
133. April said:
i agree with louisegyrl (no. 3) in regards to the advertising. I would love to buy a space on your site for my little purse-making business.
I woudn't mind advertising on the site will all the "fucks" or "motherfuckers" or even the occasional "cunts".
Afterall- the name of our purse line is "Douche Bags"! how fucking appropriate.
134. Photographer Lori said:
Hey! I would pay for sure...and I might even buy a T-shirt or two...Have you ever thought of photography for extra money? You have a great camera, a great artistic eye and people would pay you for your talent. That's what I do....I do mostly maternity and kids...lots of newborns, birth annoucements etc. I charge a flat rate for a CD of 36 images and and extra $25 for a DVD with music...I use a MAC, and it's so easy. I also have the option of an iPhoto book and do stuff like a day in the life, or an entire year captured....I love kids and love taking pics of them...and moms and dads who can't take good photos love it too. Just an idea...email me if you want more info.
And as for your site...you could add an e-card area....charge for it or make it part of the premium service. I never send real cards and I love all your art photos, so you could probably do great with that...and you could sell prints or screen savers of your photographs....I think it's a great idea!
Just an idea....hope no one else has already suggested it...I didn't have the patience to read everyone;s post....;)
LORI
135. sherri said:
Take a look at www.oddtodd.com. He is laid off and yet manages to have his site up an drunning as a blog of sorts. If you write him, perhaps he can tell you what kind of things he does, besides selling stuff.
136. tdneel said:
Definitely book deal. I mean, if mimi smartypants acn do it, you can, too!
137. bushra said:
not much time to read through the comments from other readers, so sorry if someone has already come up with this. but i know i'd be first in line to get mugs, notepads, mousemat etc with a dooce masthead thingy on it. someone at work showed me some stuff she had made at cafepress.com and it looked
very swish.
also with the hate mail, can't you put it up so we can throw rotten vegetables at 'em?
138. Photographer Lori said:
Wanted to add that I don't do any printing with the photography, just give them the disk and they can take care of the printing...most Targets, drug stores and other photo places can make prints from a CD....
LORI
139. leigh said:
Sounds great! I'd subscribe for a premium service, I'd buy the book ... hell, I might even get the t-shirt (if it didn't feel like a lifestyle choice!)
A column sounds great, but alot of your readers are overseas, so you'd lose a huge chunk of them ... and we'd lose Dooce.
Cafepress stuff sounds cool too.
I'm not keen on publishing wishlists as it appears greedy, rather than business-y.
http://daringfireball.net/
has membership and members extras ... any models there to follow? Members only rss feeds?
140. kasey said:
long time reader, first time commentor ...
i luv it the way it is! you're my daily joy that i desperately missed while you were on vacation.
i'd totally pay to see your stuff (the blog that is - sick perverts)
141. kasey said:
long time reader, first time commentor ...
i luv it the way it is! you're my daily joy that i desperately missed while you were on vacation.
i'd totally pay to see your stuff (the blog that is - sick perverts)
142. Amethyst said:
Love the banners on t-shirt idea.
Designing the ads that appear on your site (so it matches) will get you more scratch for the ad.
(Just remember that they get what they get, and no refunds for the designed ad.)
143. bisous said:
Howdy - love the cafepress idea... but I think your future is in writing. I myself am a writer and got my first "real" check for it last week. I have contacts in the publishing industry and if you like I can 'introduce' you to my agent or editor. Because your writing kicks the pants off mine. Email me if interested.
144. chickenHead said:
Google turned you down? The same Google that interviewed with Playboy? Hypocrites.
What advertising services do sites like the Village Voice and The Onion use? There has to be someone offering ads to sites that fall between porn and prudity.
I agree that you need a way for people to donate money, regardless of what you decide to do to for my regular revenue.
145. Lionemom said:
I love your site and love the improvement ideas you have! Definitely keep it up and keep blogging woman! I love your writing style and your open honest entries! You have a fantastic, nutty imagination and I enjoy reading the site and seeing pics of you and your family!
Ooh, ooh, want to read the love/hate mail you get!! I am so curious about the people that criticize you so sharply! Like, just close the window and stop reading - but they can't and then they just HAVE to write you. It's fascinating!
I am not experienced in the money-making aspect of a website. But I think the idea of t-shirts or hats, and stuffed versions of Chuck and Leta are FANTASTIC ideas! In my world, I am broker than broke, so if you charged $ for the ability to even view the website, I would sadly have to stop reading because I have no nickels to rub together, not even two! So I hope that is not your decision, but I would totally understand whatever revenue-generating action you have to take to make this not a money-pit.
Hang in there and we love you!
146. reenie said:
Dooce!
My first post. I almost don't know what to do with myself.
I would LOVE a daily picture. I studied photography in college and your pictures of Leta (and the husband and the dog)are fantabulous, and your enjoyment of her (and him and him)is obvious. I have not yet read your comments because I was too excited about posting, so forgive me if I repeat...
I know I would comment ALL THE TIME given the opportunity. I can't tell you how many times I thought "ASSHAT" at the people who think you're not the bestest mother Leta could ever hope for.
So there - all you asshats!
147. Sheryl (98 of 332) said:
We love all things dooce. Your redesign will be great I'm sure. I know you asked for ideas about redesign, but I would like to throw in my $.02 about profit. I think you should have a subscriber's fee. Salon charges $35 a year, so you could charge say $8 a year. I would pay it, and we are unemployed! You might lose a few readers, but not many.
Also I think people would buy your stuff @ Cafepress.
PS I thought that picture of Chuck with his nose wrapped with spaghetti was so cute it's now my desktop wallpaper
148. eco2geek said:
Sigh. You've hooked me. Without reading all the comments above, I'll say that I'd pay to access your blog. You are funnier than hell. Your photographs are lovely. Your baby is cute...
I'm not sure how _much_ I'd be willing to pay.
You could also consider doing t-shirts (like Mighty Girl does -- I'd love one of her "I fuck like a girl" shirts, but where would I wear it? :-) and other merchandise.
It's odd how the Internet allows thousands of people to have an intimate portrait of your life, even though they've never met you. We Dooce fans are all the richer (and more entertained) because of your blog.
149. manda said:
I would totally pay to read your stuff. My girl is a week younger than yours, and your writing has kept me sane. Please keep it coming!
Have to shut down the computer now. I'm in Orlando, and my first hurricane is a-coming.
150. Shoewhore said:
HOLY SHIT BATMAN! Look at the number of responses you have Heather! BOOK DEAL... SIGN A BOOK DEAL. You could work from home and support your family! I would be the first in line for a book written by you.
151. The Other White Jason said:
I didn't read all of the comments, so forgive if this is redundant or repetitive, but I recently read an Associated Press story that listed you in the top 100 blogs on the planet. Your provider should be paying YOU to keep your business, as should Movable Type. If you wanted to spend the time being your own advertizing exec. you could find plenty of advertizers. Your design skills could offer a complete package in which you designed the ad and put it on your blog.
As the father of a five-month old, I wish we could can and market that baby smell. Then DJBlurb could retire.
152. jen said:
I would totally buy a dooce T-shirt or chapbook and I would also consider making a donation for whenever I have some spare moola - oh, and if you did Christmas cards with that picture of Chuck with the spaghetti or dress him up again, I would sssoooooooo buy a pack of 10.
153. Mary said:
Just wanted to say, I would completely and totally pay for your site. Also a dooce.com t-shirt. :)
154. Jenna said:
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned at all, or if it would really be zeroing in on your market but I gotta throw this out there anyway:
http://www.indieclick.com
I would imagine all the fucks you like would be cool with them.
Also, I can't believe I actually get to comment. I love this site! Changes are so exciting!
155. Charlie said:
I'm afraid I don't have the constitution to read ALL of your comments ...
So many enjoy your website, why not open up added features for subscribers? Let freebies see the site as it is now, and let annual subscribers see all the new stuff you want to add.
It would be worth as much to me as my WSJ.com subscription or my Salon.com premium membership.
As I was driving today listening to my wife's Nora Jones cd I was thinking about all you're going through and the stress and concern Jon must have. I wish I could help him out with his search, but outside of the Buffalo area my influence in the web world is nil.
So, if you decide to charge me $50 to read more dooce, I'll gladly pay.
Just don't tell the guys on my rugby team.
156. Cowtipper said:
I can give you free Internet Hosting with a good amount of bandwidth. If that would help you just drop me a line at my email addy.
157. Kat said:
pardon me if someone else has mentioned this already but I haven't read the other 158 comments so far :) so here goes: how about as a subscription service? maybe through paypal or such . . . $5 a month or $30 for a year . . . something like that . . . and you could sign up for a free trial month (but make them fill out five minutes worth of stuff to keep the weaselly lurkers more at bay. I'd pay a subscription for sure - as would a lot of other people . . . and I bet it would really cut down on all that hate spam, :) . . . as always . . . mucho support and kudos and huzzas for you heather . . . your writing rocks :) Kat
158. Redbeard said:
How about a t-shirt that has a knock off of the Intel Pentium logo that says, "Cabbage Inside?"
Or... two logos strategically placed?
Seriously, you could probably get away with a paid site, but you'd have to be selective about what you did to encourage people to pay. For instance, you could have only weekly updates for non-payers. I also think that you could have all of the Leta pictures (all of the pictures, for that matter) only on the pay site.
Whatever you do, I know my wife won't quit reading you. :-D
159. lorin said:
i see no reason why you should not be able to make money doing what feeds you creatively, not to mention those of us who read your site regularly.
see if you can get in touch with a wonderful man named Eric Francis, through http://www.planetwaves.net
he is a writer and has spent the last several years becoming completely independent, ad-free, through subscriptions. he will be more than happy to commune with you on the process.
tell him that lorin from the vision list sent you.
muchlove,
lorin
160. Kate said:
How about you just charge anyone who wants to leave a comment? Perhaps, $1 per comment. People love leaving comments on this site and you so rarely have it open.
I also like the premium content idea. I, for one, would be happy to pay you $5 per month to read the site.
May I also suggest that you have a portion on your site where you post the hate-emails (with addresses) on your site so we may harrass and ridecule the hate mail senders?
161. kYra said:
i'd pay to advertise on your site, heather! i dig it. www.bootyboutique.com
162. Sheryl said:
Ideas for redesign/profit: Completely change your writing style to make it really corny and up-beat, shamelessly pimp your site in hopes of book deals and Bloggies, change the look of the blog so it looks like 50,000 monkeys did the HTML. Works for Wil Wheaton.
163. Leah said:
Dooce, your site rocks. While paying for access would probably get all your current readers to pay, it might not help you get more readers. You could do a pay-for-everything-but-the-current-post version . . .
While you are irreverant, you could probably make a killing as the new Dr. Spock with baby advice. Publishing past posts in a book format could also make lots of money . . . you could even self publish to avoid snarky editors. One potential would be to shop around and see what printing costs would be on a run of 1,000 books of past posts -- it can't be that much, b/c I've seen tons of self-published crap poetry books that "authors" give out, and those people aren't exactly money. If you could get firm quotes, then pre-sell the books on here, you might be able to pay for them before they're even printed.
And, while I don't like the idea of making your site pay-only, I would send a paypal donation your way.
Also, my last thought is regarding your design. I'm not sure how many platforms you're familiar with . . . but have you considered going into business designing other peoples' blogs? You make amazing headers (I've spent hours trying to replicate them, only to give up and do completely different things). In fact, I don't think I've seen many headers like yours out there. You also have a slick feel to your site. You could go into business designing blogs. And, you might talk to the Blog Moxie chicas (Joelle and company, starting at Tenth Muse and on) about hopping in with them. With your huge fan base, I'm sure you could pull in enough customers to make it worth their while to add you in.
Anyway, those are my thoughts. Good luck, Heather! I hope you and Jon figure something out, b/c I don't want to lose reading either one of you.
164. Mott said:
2 things come to mind for me.
- what are you looking for a month? $500? $3000?
- did you notice your rank on technorati? you get hit on, a lot.
What about $1/month for users that want SUPERdooce? Maybe with a 3 or 6 month minimum, renewable in 6month chunks.
I would think you could get 500-2000 "introductory members". That's minimum $1500 for the first 3 months. If you bump it beyond $3 a month, you will likely lose a lot of people. (that's a yr.'s subscription to Playboy).
Everyone else can only access archives older than 60-90 days.
165. Colleen said:
I've added Google Ads on both of my blogs and I've generated a meager 60 dollars in about two months. You'd generate a LOT more but I think people are starting to ignore Google Ads the way the ignore those flashing banner ads on their email.
Here are some options:
http://www.tagword.com/
http://www.blogads.com/
http://www.linkshare.com/
http://www.performics.com/
I can guarantee that advertisers would love to get their ads on this site. Someone mentioned selling adspace directly to retailers and I think that's a great idea. You could pick and choose who to partner with, make some money, and still feel good about it.
Then there's always the PayPal and Amazon donate buttons. I'm sure many regular readers would be more than happy to tip you.
Angie McKaig (http://www.angiemckaig.com/) has some great links about making money off your website. If you love writing here and people love visiting, there's no reason why you shouldn't make a living from it.
I can't wait to see what new things you have in store for us. Keep up the great work! :)
166. Nick said:
I don't think you should give up the newspaper column idea. The right editor will understand you enough to give you free reign. Why isn't the Salt Lake Tribune paying attention? You're better than Holly Mullen (though I love her, too).
Oh, and I'd pay for nude pictures of Jon - he's a hottie!
167. Gretchen C. said:
(1) Don't listen to these jackhammers who say you're selling out or exploiting your readers by wanting to get some support for this website.
(2) If that guy at MarksFriggin (Howard Stern recap site) can do it, so can you. He does it through donations and sponsored links. Not sure how this would pan out for you; he mostly links to porn.
(3) Don't start publishing unedited comments lists. They are SO boring (my own included). If you selected, moderated and posted comments or e-mails, that would be cool.
(4) I would still visit if you had banner ads, but I would feel a little dirty.
(5) I would subscribe for a small amount, if that's what I needed to do.
(6) You are an Internet icon, and no matter what happens, you've got to keep up the site. Tell Leta to get a job in TV commercials and support her mother like she damn well should.
168. lindsay said:
i am a long time reader of dooce.com and would totally pay a reasonable fee to read you. or buy some cool dooce.com swag -what ever you do, i think your readers will support you. i mean -come on i know how many times a day that i check this site!
169. Patrick said:
Hey Heather,
Elise has a great set of money-making tips for blogs. Check it out: http://www.elise.com/mt/
archives/000566how_to_make_
money_with_your_blog.php
Ciao!
170. LadyJ said:
Ditto on #150 - book deal!
If I can justify spending $10 to see a movie like Harold and Kumar, I can TOTALLY justify paying $20 a year just to read your love/hate mail and access your archives. I feel guilty reading your site for free, given that you've helped me procrastinate more times than the law should allow.
Give it a shot and watch the $$ roll in...more money for Maker's Mark!
171. phillipa said:
holy christ there are lots of comments on this!
make collectors item - limited t-shirts (or something) out of your mastheads and charge a fuckload for them. i'm sure some still employed fans out there will snatch them up....
dreamhost offers some benefits for reader clickings, i think. and....i'll keep thinking because i like the profanity and poop talk.
172. Sarah said:
I check the site daily, sometimes more, but would probably stop if you charged for stuff. Right or wrong, I hate to pay for online content. Won't do it. I probably wouldn't buy a T-shirt or Chuck doll, either.
You're in good company, though. A lot of the online industry is still trying to figure out how to make money. Take a cue from newspapers; They don't make their money from subscriptions. The big money comes from advertising.
If you can track how many visitors you get, you might be able to generate decent advertising revenue. Online ads are relatively cheap for companies, and niche sites, like this one, reach a sought-after target audience.
Best of luck.
173. ANNIE said:
DON'T CHANGE A FUCKING THING!! I LOVE IT ALL. I WOULD BUY A DOOCE.COM T SHIRT (EVEN FROM AUSTRALIA). I WOULD WEAR IT AND MAKE IT AN ESSENTIAL FASHION ITEM IN AUSTRALIA..... THEN YOU WOULD BE REALLY RICH!!
174. Amber said:
I think the Amazon Associates link is a good idea. I've known people who have made a good chunk of change doing that. As for t-shirts, subscriptions, and what not, I would totally pay for all of it!
Maybe you could make a premium subscribtion and have a promo where "If you join today, get a free dooce.com tee." Whatever works. Your site is awesome.
175. zchamu said:
Holy crap. This post only went up today and look, just look at all the comments! I can't believe those motherfuckers at Google wouldn't take you on. Pussies.
I like the t-shirt idea, although I wonder exactly how much revenue it would generate. Pretty much most of us in this column would buy one, but then I think the revenue stream would probably dry up. But I'd buy one at least!
Have you ever seen www.televisionwithoutpity.com? Fantastic site. I'm not sure what their revenue model is, but I suspect that you would appeal to the same sort of market as they do. I wonder if you could get some ideas by investgating them?
You have a real knack for both taglines and design in the mastheads, as well as the obvious writing talent. There's got to be a way to make some dough outta this.
BTW, I wouldn't write off the magazine or newspaper columns just yet. You'd need to find the right environment and the right editor, and you'd probably have to tone down the motherfucking motherfuckers, but I think you could do really well in print.
176. Kara said:
I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet because frankly I don't want to read through over 170 responses - but what about setting up a PayPal thing for donations and letting those of us who love to read your motherfucking fuckity fucking rants (hee hee)and see pictures of the lovely Leta have a way to help contribute to your bandwidth bill.
177. LisaG said:
I agree with HG - you could shop your writing to a literary agent - I'd pay $20. for a book consisting of a collection of your posts. Plus I'm old-fashioned and I love buying books. That doesn't solve the blog money making thing, but you could become a famous writer and even maybe get blessed by Oprah!
178. lisa said:
I just recently discovered dooce.com and have been enjoying it very much. I also like the possible upgrades you have mentioned for your redesign. As far as making money off it, I say do whatever you can to stay at home and supplement your income. If I thought for a minute I could afford to do that, I'd be all over it!
179. alyssa said:
so i think that if you made daily updates or like five per week, i would definitely pay money to access your site. plus all the stuff you mentioned sounds AWESOME. i don't know how you would go about doing it but i mean, if google is trying to treat you like a porn site, why not find out whom they get their hosting and crap from? or diaryland: that is an individually owned site. maybe you could offer a subscription to the "premium" site with all those great things you talked about and then still post like bi-weekly entries for non-subscribers. i think as long as you keep the price relatively low, more people will be interested and thus, you will earn more. i don't blame you a bit for doing this. i'd rather this happen than little or no dooce at all! best wishes.
180. Friday said:
I was under the impression that you were asking readers for tips on how to improve your site, not ways to fund it. But if you want to talk products, then: SUPER-CHUCK UNDEROOS! I'd buy those.
181. alyssa said:
just please please PLEASE no pop-up ads!
182. N8 said:
Love the site. Wouldn't pay one red cent for it. Keep up the good work.
183. judith said:
I can't believe none of the previous 178 people suggested the obvious solution: hotttt nude pix of Jon!
184. lizpenn said:
I was just saying this on Blurbomat last week -- DOOCE, DARLING, GET A BOOK CONTRACT! That's the best way to solve this problem.
Yes, I'd pay for access if I had to -- better than knowing that dooce.com was marching cruelly on w/o me -- but I'm afraid you'll lose too many people that way. Look what happened to Salon when they started charging for content -- they lost their position as the most-read online mag, and never got it back. You'll have a certain core of hardcore subscribers, but you'll lose a lot of readers, and it will be hard to attract new ones with a big "Pay Here" button blocking access to your homepage.
Blog ads are not a bad idea if you can swing it -- they'd clutter up the design, but them's the breaks -- and selling stuff through Cafepress might make you a few bucks here and there, but all that will be a huge pain in the ass and take up hell-loads of your time doing business, budgeting, shipping, God knows what.
Go ahead and sell a few ads and shirts to help out in the interim, but I think your near-term plan should be to find an agent and pitch a book -- about parenting, depression, la vie according to Dooce -- and start making your money from what you're already doing incredibly prolifically and well: writing. Lord, even _I_ have gotten a few nibbles from literary agents about developing book ideas from my website, which pales next to yours -- I'm sure, with a few contacts and a good proposal, you could start a bidding war among publishers for your book. That way, you make 100, 150 grand in one chunk -- this is not at all an unrealistic estimate -- and you and Jon stay at home for a year, writing a book (you), developing a business (him) and placating the screamer (both of you.) Take it from someone who is now making a living off writing (albeit modest), having had no prior publishing experience other than my website: you can do this.
Look at me. I don't even know you, and I'm jumping up and down with deeply held opinions about your family's future. The web is a very strange place...
185. Sarah said:
Heather,
I was thinking about your dilemma and first all, I love your site. It cracks me up. I was wondering though, what if you took your entries and tied the ones together that "go together", did some editing of your own and tried to sell magazine articles. You are an excellent writer and could sell stuff to a wide variety of publications as a contributing writer. You also have enough entries at this point that you could really go for a long time on the fodder that you've already created.
186. stephanie said:
Not necessarily profitable in $$ sense, but have you ever considered product placement?
I thought of this when you included a photo of Leta in her swing and mentioned that it was by Graco. . . Maybe you could at least be getting free baby gear in exchange for the press. . .
187. hunter said:
First, I like many others love you and check for updates often. That said, I probably wouldn't be willing to pay for the site as it stands now.
You're wonerful, and I know that you're crazy busy, but the site doesn't update on a regular enough basis for me to think it's worth paying for.
I think if you want to charge for access, you may find people expect more frequent or lengthier updates, and that may be hard to do with all your other responsibilities.
On the other hand, I'd totally pay for dooce propaganda!
Good luck, and please don't hate me.
188. john said:
Nude pics of the dog, maybe?
Or "everybody throws in a dollar thursdays"?
I hope to god you don't get a job. I like this site too much.
189. Sarcomical said:
I am one of those that, while I absolutely LOVE you, might not pay to see extra stuff, which would make me sad. But I would completely be behind the dooce merch, and also think it should be incredibly easy for someone like yourself to get self-published. Your readers would totally love a book, and so would people that haven't been smart enough to go to your site yet! I'm sure you have enough material for something amazing. You could even do it up with photos, like a great art book that just happens to have some very tasty stories sprinkled with expletives accompanying them!
Do what you need to do, sister. No one can blame you for wanting to make even the tiniest bit off something that has brought so many people so much laughter. Not to mention that you've laid out your soul for all of us to see, so let us help take care of you a little!
190. modsoul carly said:
Heather, you have the steamiest pooping site, like ever (choke on that google!). I would pay a moderate amount to read all about your tips and giggles, even the serious items are worth more than two birds in a hand. Well, you know. Keeping paypal as an option is a good thing and I would vote for your masthead designs put into a calendar also, and photos for sale, definitely t-shirts, possibly ads. Magnets and coffee cups too? I'm sure you can come up with something laughably smart and lovely to match your wowing site! Keep up the great work! I'd definitely be into reading reviews by you regarding any type of media you are into also...
191. JTH said:
Well, I have to say I second or third of 500th the cafepress idea. I think your mastheads are pure genius. I'd be happy to doocify my wardrobe to assist in the sustaining of this site and your happy family.
I think we all know that it costs money for you to run this site. Eventually, we're going to have to pay for our voyeurism.
You do what you have to do. People that get all ticked off about a few ads can go elsewhere.
I'm sure with a little research, you will find the right option for you.
I know I'll be here riding the sell out wave with you.
192. Katrina said:
I think the t-shirt idea is awesome :) I'd totally wear a dooce.com shirt, especially if it had a cute design like the mastheads! More pictures are always good too!
193. Beth said:
I'd pay for a premium site.
Maybe post to the open site once a week, and to get all the posts we pay. You're great. I do what I love and make money, everyone should get to do that.
194. Linda said:
I've been reading your blog for several months and find your writing be some of the most compelling, fun and interesting on the web and/or in print You should definitely be published (for pay)!!
Though I think the newspaper column idea is great, maybe an online mag or alternative weekly (like the Stranger here in Seattle) would be less limiting for you and a book would probably be the best option.
You are such a talented, humorous writer that I'm sure you would sell lots of books. I really like the idea of a book version of your archives...I can't recall the name of the hot new Bridget Jones/Nanny Diaries/etc...genre (chick lit?), but you would definitely fit right in.
195. mcdtracy said:
There is a model for you... based upon NPR or the street performer.
End every post with an "TIP ME" widget .05-$1? Totally honor-based... you're good enough to pull it off. You have marketable skill called "talent". Go figure... I've been selling your site all over the net.
Potentially have a programmer hack up a database tool to track the results and e-mail bills to your readers. (Blogger, or MT an the ISP could add the feature and scrape off a percentage for collecting the tips)
I see it as a sort of honorary "tip jar" system but the reader needs to vote right after finishing the post and thinking... "Damn that was so much fun... I'll TIP Heather to encourage her to write again soon."
The websites that start with "Keep Me Alive" requests miss the opportunity to get the reader to vote/rate the content and then follow up with the money to justify returning for more. Guilt just doesn't work as well.
That's "panhandling". Pass the hat just after the performance.
A lot of great bloggers could benefit from a "tip jar" approach.
Initially, request sponsors to fund the development of the experiment and potentially gain some rights to the resulting technology or profit sharing based upon the achievement of a steady revenue stream. Someone needs to create a "Tipjar" service or web-ring so that I only need to put my credit card into one system and I can tip you and RageBoy and Jeneanne and Halley and on and on... This sounds like a job for "BurningBird" Shelley Powers or another great Internet thinker/hacker. If Dave Winer offers... just say no.
We don't want to be indebted to him for another basic idea that just makes sense.
In fact, I'll pay you to say no. That model is called extortion. It won't scale as well as a group of smiling, and/or crying readers that love you. Did you know we love you? Oh yes... remind us gently that the baby needs new shoes. That's called charity and it scales
a too. Be well and proposer. -McD
196. Beth said:
Take down your archives, and compile them into an e-book. Anybody that wants to read back articles from Dooce.com can buy them in monthly or yearly chunks.
Keep the "Post of the Moment" free for daily readers, and make your archives into juicy little books, which someday will get picked up by a publisher, or can be consumed by your fans in juicy chunks of cash!
197. Dave Thomas said:
lizpenn is 100% right. People don't and won't pay for content on the web. The best you can do is charge for access to archives and extras (a la the Onion, newspapers), and all that will do is ensure that nobody ever accesses the archives and extras.
Maybe I'm waxing all Luddite-y, but screw the web. There is still money (and dignity) to be had in traditional publishing. You've got the goods, you've got the audience and--rarest of rubies--you've got something to say. It all adds up to a country-mile head start on every other unpublished writer in the world.
What you waiting for?
198. Luis said:
1. Jeff Vogel at Irony Central sold his "The Story About the Baby" series of posts as a book. That approach might work for you, as you do have a linear pregnancy / birth / baby narrative in your archives. Certainly your writing is at least as good as his. You might try contacting him to see how he went about finding representation and/or a publisher.
1a. Serializing might also work, but it would have to be a damned edgy magazine that didn't edit the shit out of you. And edgy zines are not usually rich ones.
2. I would pay a subscription fee. Gladly. And securing your site would probably cut down on the hate mail, and calm your life down a bit there. However, that would also turn off new readers and the ease of linking to Dooce.com posts that brings them in. This would not be a step to be taken lightly -- I would not advise you to do it without having a damned good idea of how much money that would bring in.
3. Swag is a great idea. Your various mastheads are instant swag. They can be bumper stickers, coffee mugs, t-shirts. Slap them on anything. Your photography is also quite good, and you could easily cull a lot of "money quotes" from your archives, to be slapped on anything that doesn't move away fast enough.
4. And finally, the bottom line: Your work is good enough to earn money. Quite possibly a great deal of money. IF YOU VALUE IT ENOUGH to charge money for it, others will value it enough to pay money for it.
Best of luck to you!
199. The Lone Banana said:
Hello -- long-time reader, first-time poster, with my two cents on how to make money from your website.
First, I don't think charging readers for access will bring in very much money. Writing is a really hard sell on the Web. You'll just reduce your readership, and remove the most effective advertisement you have: the site itself, and your writing.
Two avenues you might explore are advertising and merchandising. Okay, so Google turned you down; they're not the only game in town. Success here will probably rely on you approaching businesses with hit stats and a proposal.
Merchandise is good; people say they would buy a "Dooce" T-shirt. Maybe you could turn the double-O into cartoon breasts as yet another boob reference (nah, too predictable). Coffee mugs? Nursing bras? Baby wipes? Pacifiers?
Sidenote: The only people who make money with Cafe Press stuff are the Cafe Press guys themselves.
My leading suggestion is a book. You have a good collection of columns that are mostly funny, sometimes touching, and occasionally gut-wrenching. You haver a natural topic: the pregnancy, birth, and infancy of your child; people love to read about that stuff. Select, combine, edit, and put together a volume called THE DOOCE IS WILD or FROM HERE TO MATERNITY (I'm sure you can do better than that), and you've got a book for a defined audience.
You can self-publish it (be skeptical of "print-on-demand" outfits; you're usually better off doing it yourself. I'd recommend Day Poynter's THE SELF-PUBLISHING MANUAL; his website at www.parapublishing.com is worth checking out.
One advantage of self-publishing is you can do it at home in your copious free time (hah!).
200. amy said:
I just want you to know that I just discovered this blog yesterday and spent half the night reading archives.(I realize that doesn't say a lot about my personal or social life, lol) I am a newbie to the blog world and am thoroughly impressed with what I see on your site. (once again, my opinion probably doesn't matter to those with clout) Anyway, I have an almost 8 month old and have to return to my teaching position next week and so I totally understood some of your comments. I haven't laughed so hard in a really long time. You seriously could make big money. I would subscribe. All that said, go for it. I would also purchase any groupie crap you produce.
Best of luck to you. Big Hugs!
201. Dowen said:
I don't really have any ideas about earning money online; I just wanted to support your intention to find a way to do it. If you can find a way to make a living doing something you love, something which brings happiness to you and so many others, you have to chase it. Go Dooce!
202. Sunny said:
A dooce.com t-shirt...hell yes! As for the mastheads on t-shirt ideas, I think you could sell the "My milkshake is better than yours" one in baby t-shirts and onesies..I'd buy them for gifts!
203. kris said:
I'm certain it's all been said. here's what I would pay for:
Dooce tshirts. particularly if the "o"s were over nipples, a la hooters. what? 30% of your content is about boobs! :^D
I like the idea of a dooce newsletter, where subscribers get funny stories you don't put on the regular website, or photos, etc. exclusive Dooce, maybe call it Doo-Chay, or doo$e? or Dooce Deuce? ;^)
204. suoica said:
I've been hooked on your site for a long time (pre-Leta, pre-married in Utah) and couldn't bear to see it go away. Yours is the one soap opera I indulge in. My suggestion? Find yourself an agent (I know of one who's looking for talented bloggers) and see what happens. If you want more information, shoot me an email. It might be selling out, but sometimes you just have to do that. And congratulations on the cabbage stunt. I don't think I'd be able to do it. But then again, I don't have kids and don't know the misery of breast-feeding.
205. April said:
Good God, look at all those suggestions. I have none. Except, yes, you should be paid somewhere for your brilliant selection of words and your honesty. You write brilliantly. I've told you that before. Do anything to this site because you surely have a tremendous following that would, in fact, love to read more cabbage stories, even at a cost!
206. diana said:
sounds like you've got a pretty big fan base here. hell, if we all clicked on a PayPal link and just *gave* you ten bucks for being cool, you'd have a pretty good start on recouping your web hosting costs!
oh, and i'd be all about learning about the technical workings of your site. as i'm planning a server/software move for myself soon, it would be... educational.
207. Jen said:
Wow!!! So many comments - see how loved you are? :)
I don't have anything to add except that I would TOTALLY buy your shirts / books / etc. I really hope you come out with something like that.
208. Michael said:
Some ideas for the making of moneys from this site.
1) Go to your local barnes and nobles and buy a copy of the believer. or the new yorker. get published. Get syndicated in your state's newspaper.
or
2) Make shirts with photos of your dog wrapped in spaghetti.
or
3)prostitution. I've met people who will pay alot of money for some pretty freaky stuff. Cabbage boobies might be someone's turn on...
or
4) Sell all of Leta's socks. Im sure she'll turn out fine, anyway.
or
5) Become a stand-up comic and do this too. like steve hofsetter (observationalhumor.com)
whatever you do, just dont stop writing this thing. you are incredible and I <3 you
209. LisaC said:
Pledge drives, just like NPR and PBS. Four times a year, throw up a PayPal button, an interrupted entry with a cliffhanger, and refuse to post further until we pony up $X. People who can afford it and want to will pay, for sure. Those that can't or won't will still get their Dooce...eventually.
You could even do gifts--I'd give at the $20 level for a Dooce Cabbage.
Or you could do the Mormon thing and start a tithing policy.
Basically, I love the site and will pretty much do whatever you need to keep it going.
210. zchamu said:
Ohmigod. I LOVE the SuperChuck Underoos idea. I would TOTALLY buy ten.
211. Sarah said:
I would definitely buy some Dooce.com shwag and/or pay for Dooce Premium -- hell, it'll be much more fun than Salon. Your writing is much, much, much too good to go away; stay online, make some dough, and be happy doing it!
212. Scott said:
I might be missing something obvious but it seems to me that there is a lot of good information and a lot of creativity in both the blog and the comments. People in other settings PAY for this.
The cafe press/serial/noisy plush figures of Chuck and Leta could be the next "pet rock," but the real money is in the seminar circuit.
You are certainly as motivational as Tony Robins and he packs in seminar participants in really nice places world wide.
I would spend three days a a thousand dollars for the right program with the right audience members and presenters. Jeff Pulver certainly charges more and your presentation with the right people could be as important.
213. gail said:
Your web site is healing to me. It often reminds me of the book Operating Instructions, by Anne Lamont.
Get published! I will personally stand on corners selling copies, wearing a dooce.com t-shirt.
214. pea joe said:
I've been reading since you got fired in LA, and was so excited when I heard you were coming back to SLC. My only concern about subscription options is that it would make it harder for me to share you with my loved ones. I wish you and yours the best.
215. freddy said:
1. Yes on t-shirts. I don't know what cafepress is, but I could see you having a few at a time, perhaps with your distinctive dooce.com on the back and a snarky saying on the front? I would buy one. Or seventeen.
2. Baby shit. People love to buy the baby shit. Bibs, baby tees, etc. Great for baby shower gifts.
3. I would buy any book you wrote, sight unseen. If only I were a publisher I would "discover" you and make three billion dollars.
4. Reminder/thanks to donors, like they do daily over at www.themorningnews.org. I finally got around to donating to you recently, but would have done it sooner if you'd asked directly.
5. Anyone want to pay you to be a guest blogger/reviewer?
6. Your layouts are always clean and refreshing. Design a few for sale, $5-10 each? I have no idea how you'd keep people from just ripping them off, but think of the growing MT/Blogger that wants to look as cool as you. Oh, and I've long tried to figure out how to make galleries like yours. I suppose I'd pay $5 to use your code.
216. brenda said:
i as well would pay to view this site. i agree that last week was mundane with no dooce. i think creating some merchandise would be a good sell. i would be PROUD to wear a dooce shirt or have a dooce mousepad (please include chuck). i think i might even pay to get a response via email from you..seeing as i have written several times and it seems like you have taken one of my suggestions into consideration. ;) i think there are a lot of people who will pay to read your site and i cant wait for the changes.
217. Amber said:
Since you did originally ask what we thought would be good improvements to your site...I would have to say that all of us would love to see more pictures of Leta, Chuck, and Jon. Even crazy pictures. I love your picture idea. Also, you could host a few tutorials on how to build webpages and make awesome mastheads. You could also make categories for all of your entries..just some ideas.
218. AJ said:
It's been mentioned several times, but I want to register a vote for a dooce shop at cafepress. My fiancee and I would proudly pay to pimp dooce-branded merchandise.
219. Ninotchka said:
I applaud your efforts to try to earn a living doing something you love. I usually take the coward's way out and get a "real" job but trust me, if I could find a way to make money from home, I'd be all over it! How about a premium daily subscription newsletter? That way you don't compromise your "brand equity" and those who really like your writing could pay a small fee of $5/10 per year to receive a daily message/photo/etc. You could also feature a weekly sponsor. I'm SURE there are people out there willing to leverage your popularity to peddle their wares. Lastly, I also like the t-shirt idea. I think it would be a really easy way to make some extra $$$.
Good luck!
~ Nino
(I also like the compilation book idea...I self published, feel free to email me for more info.)
220. Shawna said:
I haven't read all 217 comments yet but I'm sure someone must have mentioned the idea of adding a paypal button for donations? Judging by the fact that there are 217 comments before this one, maybe you could charge for commenting. I think I saw this up top but I agree people would pay to have a banner randomly pop up to their journals/blogs. And yeah, I'd be tempted to buy the dooce.com tshirt too.
221. kimmie said:
http://www.blogbinders.com
No doubt people would buy it.
I think whoever commented about selling link space to other bloggers would be good, too.
I can NOT wait to read the hate mail with your comments. Everytime you mention what people have said, I've thought you should put them up. :)
222. stella said:
Love the idea of:
greeting cards,
premium membership
and
guest blogger
how about interviews with fans/other bloggers?
sell your pics, make tshirts
Hell, get the pharmaceutical companies in here, at the very least maybe you'd get free drugs!
keep going, girl!
223. Kat F. said:
tshirts!
224. lavonne said:
Heather, you are a born writer and I think you need to focus on your gift. Don't waste time scattering your money-making efforts all over the place. Write. Sell what you write. For a quick buck, turn your baby blog entries and photos into a book and self-publish it. Then take your sales numbers and Dooce.com stats to a literary agent. Read "How to Publish and Promote Online" by M.J. Rose/Angela Adair-Hoy for more ideas. Rose has turned more than one online book into a bestseller. I think you can, too.
Of course I will pay for swag and premium membership, but I'd rather contribute to Leta's college fund by buying your books--because you belong on the bestseller lists, and I want to say I read you when. :o]
225. Branden said:
Heather,
I've never been able to write before, as I am a newer reader. I sooo enjoy reading your columns and you frequently have me cackling in my cubicle. I can't add any more ideas to all the good ones I've already read above, but I just wanted to say thank you for sharing Dooce.com! I'm looking forward to whatever incarnation comes next!
226. cheryl said:
I know I for one would pay big bucks for a shirt with your masthead on it...cracks me up everytime I visit this site.
227. Laura said:
I'd be proud to wear a dooce.com T-shirt from cafepress or the like. Further advertising! Whatever you decide, I am completely happy to start paying you back for the hours of entertainment you provide all of us. And think, you've actually made me want to have my own kids! Remarkable!
228. The Mighty Jimbo said:
girlfriend, your shit is digital crack.
they'll pay for their fix.
229. Photographer Lori said:
Wanted to add that is you want to self publish anything Lulu.com is a good site. I'm sure there are more. They handle everything for you and you decide how much you want to get paid per book...you can do calendars, novels, photo books, all kinds of things. Take a look. Also people go directly there and order, so you just collect a pay check...What about selling "Making a Family" Or turning your other stories into books like that. I know the illustrator would get a cut, but I think those would make GREAT baby shower gifts! A funny/crazy/tragic look at mommyhood. That would have a "girlfriend's guide to PG" kind of feel...I like that idea...I just got invited to a baby shower...I wish you had one now to buy! ;)
LORI
230. nakedjen said:
Adding to the chorus of dooce t-shirt wearing angels, I will glady pay to help you stay right here doing what you do so very well.
Just tell me how much and I'll hit the pay button.
I also really like the idea of contacting small cool businesses and offering them a coveted "dooce" endorsement. Whomever mentioned that cool people want to buy what other cool people have had a great idea.
Hell, Nikon should be paying you big advertising dollars for all the pictures that you post.
Just don't disappear. A day without dooce is like a day without "poop". It makes you constipated!
231. Amy said:
Heather,
I love reading your blog. It is one of the funniest ones on the net and I think the pictures of Leta are absolutely adorable. I support you 100% in trying to make the site better and if you want to make a few bucks along the way, there's nothing wrong with that! Keep making me laugh!
Love,
Amy
232. samin said:
dear heather,
i think you're wonderful, and though i'm not big on paying for online things, i'd pay to read your site. i vote for a premium membership section, which might feel a lot less like you are "selling" anything than if you move toward, say, inviting advertisers to your site.
i've read your blog faithfully over the past year, in quite a few countries with unreliable internet connections. i mean, you've gotta know that if someone is typing dooce.com into a browser in northern iran, you've got a loyal following.
i know you'll do great, no matter what you decide. lots of luck,
samin*
233. Katie said:
I for one agree with an earlier comment that getting companies to sponsor/advertise is the way to go. Your monthly hits must be through the roof, and I am sure you can find someone to advertis on here!
234. Catgirl said:
I think you could write a fabulous advice column. You could give advice with that witty, sarcastic, humorous edge you are so famous for. I for one would pay money for your advice on motherhood, love, or problems in the workplace. You're an awesome writer!
235. Brendan said:
First, what ever happened to the values of the 60's, when brilliant creative types, rather than prostitute their arts and crafts would just sell drugs to make money?
Have we fallen so far?
Second, why don't you just ask more clearly for people to simply send money to you if they are pleased? (The shareware model.) I have done, many would.
Third, is that comment above from someone who REALLY spells the name Branden? Of all the bastard spellings of my name I have tripped over like detritus on the nomenclatural floor this is a first. Hope it's a one-off.
236. Sharon said:
I would like to add my vote for you to pursue a book deal. Your writing is extremely engaging; I'm sure there's a way for you to make a living with it. I've read Anne Lamott's books as well -- and Ariel Gore's-- you could certainly follow that route.
However, I would be sad to see ads on your site. Or product placement --the only exception being dooce t-shirts. Your design is always fabulous, and I think part of that is the lack of bunches of schlocky ads.
Good Luck, and Thank you!
237. Jane said:
Well, I'm not patient enough to read through all the comments, so I bet a hundred of other people have already suggested this... BUT... I think you should definetely parlay your Dooce success into a book... not just any book mind you but a pregnancy one. I have never come across any other pregnancy preparation book that has such hilarious but informative stories as "the ten and two" or even the post pregnancy cabbage bra stories. My cousin and friend were pregnant with their second baby during the same time as you were with Leta, and I used to email her some of your entries while she was at work. She was absolutely thrilled with how funny and truthful they were. Pregnancy book all the way dooce! Pregnancy book all the way. Oh, and I often wonder if you've ever read "Just Checking" by Emily Colas? She has a similar witty writing style as you.
238. KIMBERLEY said:
Holy Crap! I don't think you should hesistate with all these people about to lap up your Dooce-y-ness! Screw the Juicy Coutouire (or however you spell it), go with Dooce-y Cotoure! Plus, I would SERIOUSLY pay to see what lame-ass fucks have to say about your fabulous-ness. Obviously, you have quite the flock to your site, so do it up Heather and see what happens! You can count me in on the shenanagans!
239. Lucy said:
The amazon.com affiliates program is pretty good. I get about US$200 a quarter on average, but that goes up significantly during the Christmas period.
240. Dianne said:
Have you ever thought about doing something like http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/ ?
You can sell your own designs. They have a base price and you get whatever markup you want to charge. I'm thinking about doing it on my site.
241. Brendan said:
Oh, to add one caution: I think your work is indeed publishable and marvelous, but do NOT just compile the old stuff and print it up. Get yourself an agent and real editor, and make lit. It would be real lit, as you are terrific.
And, one note, I did not mean that the person with the bad name spelling was a bastard, and hope it wasn't taken that way. The spelling, however, is another thing.
242. Kevin said:
Heather,
It appears to me that your 'bliss' comes from writing and being with the frog (not necessarily in that order). Write. Put up with the artistic "challanges" of the 'real world' and commercialism and editors (it will better prepare you for after Leta gets more independent- trust me on this one). HYPE what you write here, and hyperlink to it. That is a win-win for the people you write FOR and for you and your very fine family, and for us... we can read even more of you!
(I'd buy a shirt too...)
243. jessica said:
Just think, for every comment here, there are 10 more people AT LEAST that are reading and don't comment. Such as myself, being that I've been reading since Leta was only 1 month old.
244. Katy said:
I don't know about immediate windfall potential but for building a long term career, I think you can find an outlet to publish you. Salon.com comes to mind - they used to run a column by Anne Lamott (mentioned above) in their "Life" (formerly Mothers Who Think) section - worth reading the archives. And they're pretty liberal with content. That could also open up opportunities for you to publish compilations. I really enjoy your uncensored site and I think blogs are an important catalyst for evolving the narrative arts...but editors seem to still be the shepards for what people are willing to pay. Start submitting some of your pieces all over, maybe try to get a literary agent - she can direct you to outlets in your niche.
Continue what you are doing because you love it. If money and lots of it is your main motivation right now, perhaps you could sell your design talent to smaller firms and work from home/remotely. Even moderately successful writers usually don't bring home beacoups de bacon.
Whatever you do, best of luck.
245. Dana said:
the barren bitch brigade alone could finance you -
Please don't stop blogging! I can't live w/o out you! (I mean that in a totally non stalker like way) -
246. Jonna said:
Heather, we love you, of course. :) I don't blame you for not wanting to be beholden to advertisers one bit. That's a bunch of crust. I'm wondering - once you've proven that you can build up a good subscriber base, would it be easier? My hubby's friend Phil is making assloads of money on fuckedcompany.com, which of course was improper in every sense of the word when he started it. Yes, yes, I realize that's a little different, and it was a different, gloriously fat time, but he originally made an extraordinarily large sum of money with subscribers only. And you could hook people in with say, the current posts, plus the last four or five, and then have a premium service for us Dooce junkies.
As for new content, oh please please please do more 'Because You Asked' and a monthly mail section. And more photos! WE NEED MORE PHOTOS!
We love ya Dooce. Hang in there, and keep it up :)
247. lara said:
i too would pay premium member dues, buy dooce merch, buy prints of photos, and as an editor in the book trade, i too encourage you to submit to magazine and book publishers.
ps, if you get this blog-as-business off the ground, would you consider writing a how-to guide for other, lesser bloggers? that's the kind of crap i help to publish, and while it's not as exciting as cabbage boobs, constipation, or telling nieces and nephews about the wrath of the mormon god, it might help you pay the bills and continue to write the great stuff we all love. that option is there for you, should you ever need it. i'd be honored to work with a writer and masterblogger like you.
248. di said:
book! book! book! book!
i'm usually not fanatical, but i think you should really explore the possibilities of writing a book. you've got the talent, the content and the audience.
be like lance. just do it.
249. Karen said:
Woman, would you just bundle up the best of your posts, tie a ribbon around them and shop a book deal, already? This shit is good. Damned good. And I'm picky as hell. The beauty of it is that you don't really have to do a whole lot more work -- just pick your best over the last few years, call it "Dooce: A Memoir," and make millions already! Come ON!
(Best of luck!)
K.
250. shannon said:
I'm behind you - whether it's advertising, membership, books, merch. - whatever. You're too talented to stop writing and I enjoy this site waaaaaaayy too much! Thank you for putting it out there for me!
Shannon
251. Cathy said:
You definitely need to put all of your posts into a book. Or write a whole new book. You have such a gift for writing; you have to be one of the damn funniest people I've ever read.
I would certainly pay a subscription fee for fun extras, and I would also buy a dooce t-shirt--one with one of your mastheads or just a quote from an old post. Hell yeah.
You are very talented, and I love reading your posts. I check every day, then call my sister to see if she's read when you update. Keep writing!
252. Heather said:
Hey Heather! I love your ideas about what to add. I'd love to see some of that hate mail you sometimes mention and your thoughts on it!
I haven't read through all 246 comments, so I apologize if this has already been suggested. Have you ever considered publishing a book? The Best of Dooce? I'd buy it, and I'm sure most everyone else here would too.
You have a gift at writing and I believe you would do very well if you published a book then advertised it on here.
Keep up the great work. We all love reading about Leta's poop and your cabbage wrapped boobs.
253. Karry said:
I didn't read the bazillion comments you already ahve, but maybe you could look at selling your photos. Check out www.zazzle.com and www.cafepress.com. You've got huge talent for classic photographs.
254. kel said:
I adore reading you and have meant to contact you much, much earlier- came by way of miss maggie's site...I agree with all the suggestions - sign me up for premium content (but only if you curse MORE) the ads (i run a small biz) and the swag (everyone should have a t-shirt of chuck w/pasta wrapped around his nose..maybe the caption could say "fongul!")
love you dear - i think of you as a friend already...:) kelly
255. Lynn said:
Hey Heather,
I have a daughter three months older than Leta. I want to keep your posts to show her when she is older. I'll tell her that is the way I feel about her. But your mama is not talented enough to write like that! I would pay to keep reading!
256. Carla Beth said:
Well, I've written love mail and hate mail, but I'm still here ... whether you want me or not. Most days I wake up to your website, Heather, and most nights I do a quick peek for new posts before going to bed. Others have tried to earn a living from their websites, but readers tend to bail when it comes time to pay.
Have you ever read Anne Lamott's "Operating Instructions?" Have you ever read Hip Mama magazine? Or visited (dang, what's it called) that hugely popular online magazine site with all those great writers and sexy articles?
Standard fare stuff isn't going to earn your living. Turning your site into a magazine is. Creating a book is. Writing a column for a venue that worships writing like yours is.
That site I mentioned (does it start with an N?) ... if you wrote for them, your bio would mention Dooce, which would generate more visits to your site. So you'd profit both ways.
Your cousin wants a guest post, right? If you open your site a bit and include sections like Pasta Dog (where you publish "winning" submitted photos of dogs with spaghetti wrapped around their schnozes) ... you start involving your readers in a way that could make Dooce more of a magazine than a zine. That's where the money is. Somehow.
This other site I've mentioned does this. And profits.
CB
257. addiann said:
thanks to the person who provided the address for GoogleAdsense. I've written to them - but most of all want to encourage you, PLEAD with you to keep writing writing writing and making your work available to as many of us as you're able. You're a big talent.
258. Cristina said:
Why not make a zine of your site? Ask favorite bloggers to participate too. Featured editors? Featured guests? How about "day in the life of...." and feature a different Blogger every month.
I think a zine would be interesting, with a cool concept of course.
259. Whitters said:
Have you considered blogads.com? As far as I know, they're not as picky as Google AdSense about stuff like profanity. A lot of the political blogs use them and seem to really like them.
I also second the idea of a book. I would definitely buy a book written by you.
260. Kahli said:
I would so buy merch with the ever evolving mastheads, you are obviously savvy to waht is not lame... you are a master of merchandising just with your site. Dooce gear could be the next Hypercolor!!! But seriously, I would so wear a DooceT, Dooce panty/camisole set or sip my latte from a Dooce mug.
I love all your ideas for Dooce: The Next Level....and if you need any help or ideas concerning sponsorships, trades or other things, I am a fundraiser for a little thing .org and I can maybe give you some "leads.." leads? leads? Yeah we got a couple guys down at the station working around the clock....
Best wishes and keep rockin with your bad self.....
261. jm said:
I CANNOT believe that Google is being so prudish. Whatever! The only reason I don't go off on our blog is that we set the thing up for my parents and A's grandparents. And I think they're cool. And they would fall over with heart attacks. Which would mean lots of awkwardness at future family reunions.
I admire your site and LOVE your writing. (As a fellow depression-sufferer...Walgreens has been my pusher since 1990--whoo hooo! and trying to go off to get preg...I can tell you that your site is not only terrific, it is a PUBLIC SERVICE. So, yes. There are businesses and other sites who would pay to advertise in a tasteful little box on Dooce. Including us, just to be supportive. Or we'd buy a Cafe Press t-shirt, bib, mugs, bumper sticker, baby hoodie (especially cool), refridgerator magnet, stein, etc. Seriously. You have great photographs, great design talent and lots of hilarious quotable stuff. No brainer. Dooce stuff would be awesome...the new cult rage.
Take no prisoners,
jm
262. Dusty said:
I would buy that book.
263. Chloe said:
I'm sorry if I make a repeat here, I didn't have time to read ALL the responses. I think a small subscription fee would work, but you may lose a lot of readers that way if all content was only accessible by logging in. Also, I have no idea how to set that up.
(is this html enabled?)
I think setting up a sort of donation thing (through paypal or what-have-you) would probably work quite well, I would donate. However, this probably wouldn't be a good money-maker, long term. Most people would donate once and felt they had done their part, some would never donate, and some of us are poor college students who couldn't donate much at all. I think the advertising is an excellent idea-- you get a shitload of traffic. Google may not wanna, but I bet there are tons of companies who would advertise here.
Also, of course, tee shirts, hats, thongs, yadda yadda yadda. Tack on a reasonable large markup-- hey, if glarkware can do it, so can you!
I think a combo of the last 3 would work pretty well, if you can get any of it to work. Hey, what do I know? I'm just a poo' college kid.
264. Jenni G. said:
You're hearing two things: "Cafe Press" and "book deal." But with Cafe Press, you don't NEED a book deal, since you can lay out and sell your own. You have the layout/design skills to make your own book, and of course you write volumes as it is, I'm sure you'd fill up a book in no time. Use the book as a way to include extra features you're too busy to offer for free -- lots of funny hate mail, etc.
There should be a Dooce book. The world needs a Dooce book. Put me on the pre-order list now!
265. Kath said:
I'm all for whatever it takes to continue to read dooce AND for you to be emotionally and financially happy.
You want $? FINE with me...it'll be worth every cent.
Only other suggestion...and I've suggested it before...Chuck Greeting Cards...I would buy them by the boxfuls.
Your blog has made me smile so many times...it's time to return the favor.
I love you guys, Leta and Chuck included.
:-)
266. Carla Beth said:
So when can we expect Cabbage Boobs to hit the book stands? Pregnancy through the first six months or first year. Highlight the "best of" posts. You'll get written up in all the big name mags. I'm not sure it's a problem that you've published parts of the proposed book here. You'll get on Letterman for sure!
Think big, Heather. Because that's your potential. Consider yourself launched.
Cheers.
267. Elizabeth said:
What about a Cafepress apron that said something along the lines of: "Cabbage: it's not just for cooking." Hehe.
I love your site and would love to help in any way I can to keep you running. You rock so very much, Dooce.
268. chuck said:
You just had to ask, didn't you? Now you know: the world loves you. Irreverent truth is still truth, as is irreverent humor.
Get on with the book. It's screaming at you - write. You are a jewel. Go by published ...you waited long enough.
269. Zorbs said:
"dooce" with the 2 o's as cabbages.
270. denise said:
Wow, you got a lot of comments on this one!
Maybe a newsletter/email type thing that could be "subscriber only"?
Or, post half as often (I would miss it!) but then you could put some energy toward a book (a comical autobiography of sorts). With all these built in readers, you'd sell a bunch of copies and the word could spread from there....
271. js said:
Charging/ads for a personal site? I don't know about that... you write well and I enjoy reading your site, but at the end of the day... you're not providing a service worthy of my money or the hassle of ads.
272. Carla Beth said:
Honestly ... I wouldn't pay either. Which is why you'd need to develop this into an online magazine, which it isn't right now. And despite the support of so many people, the honeymoon stage (where everyone is paying) will quickly burn out. And once everyone has their merchandise, that's that. But take it out of the realm of "personal site" ... and into magazine land ... you'll have something marketable and a consistent money earner.
CB
273. Sue said:
I'm always up for booze! Oh, wait, what was the question? Oh, yeah, I would LOVE to buy DOOCE.COM gear (think suicidegirls-minus the naked, of course)...especially the apron as suggested by #267....oh, and a bottle of DOOCE EQUIS, BAHAHAA...mmmm, beer........is that marketable?hehe
274. jenB said:
did you know that Avril is french for April?
oh, and sell t-shirts. :-)
275. nicole said:
275 comments on how/what to charge = OH MY GOD START CHARGING RIGHT NOW
276. Lisa said:
I've never commented before but your site/blog is fabulous; but I have a hangup about subscribing to online magazines. You should start a Doogle with ChuckSense and compete with the big G. Because your writing is so wonderful and honest, you might also start a Tells It Like It Is feature, where people pay to hear "it" straight from you--an "advice" column with anti-Mormon attitude would give Drs. Laura and Phil a run for their money. Imagine: LetaScreams and ChuckArmpits and everything in between for a ratings system when you're short on time. Download a file of Leta hollering her sweet cheeks off and sell it to boot. And, finally, while I would certainly buy a stuffed toy Chuck and a Dooce t-shirt, you could consider expanding the line with Chuck-approved noodles, cabbage recipes (or treatments), and the Leta Line of diapers. When the OO's in Dooce-pattern disappear, it's time for a change.
277. Rose said:
cafepress.com?
278. Me said:
What about making the "extras" as a premium section of the site? Instead of creating paying accounts make it so people have to click a Paypal link and give a donation of whatever they can give in order to get access.
279. Sarah said:
I would love the Dooce merchandising. My sister-in-law were planning to make a couple of Dooce t-shirts for ourselves (and you, of course) a couple of Dooce onsies for my son (and Leta, of course), but, hey, if you beat us to it the more power to ya!
We were going to put our favorite tagline from your past mastheads on them, too.
As for the charging, I like the idea of doing a "premium" and "regular". You'll be more likely to continue to expand your reader base if new people coming in can get "hooked" on a little dooce and then pay when they start to want more. Best to start treating your writing like the addictive crack it is. "The first paragraph is free, but then she makes you pay. Soon, it's been two days between posts and you're all strung out hitting the Refresh botton hoping for another hit. "
Good luck, Brave One!
280. kelledy said:
Just don't quit, Heather. Apparently, the people love you (I'm included in that sector). Small advertisements for hip, young designers and such sounds like a great plan to me.
281. susan bein said:
From several comments, it's obvious that not enough people have noticed your 'donate' link to paypal. I donated months ago because you gave me such great laughing-out-loud moments and would gladly subscribe, and this on a teacher's salary.
Trouble is, if it costs money, I wouldn't be able to tell my students to visit your site, thereby stunting their growth and damaging their delicate sensibilities, and I think that's important.
I've already got several high school and college students following your every word and loving it. Hey, impressing high school students is no mean feat!
And I'm not exactly your typical reader either; childless old maid (52), arty jew. But I can still relate. It's your outlook and attitude, and the rest is just details.
You're just as funny as David Sedaris, and he's buying houses in London and doing book tours and books on tape for god's sake. GO for it!
And PS, my dogs are too more spoiled than yours. Really. Are too.
282. Zach said:
Damnit. Can we at least get PARTLY nude shots? =D
283. Carrie said:
I love your site. I read it every day and cannot imagine living without it. I would definately pay for the added extras. Oh and I would LOVE me a Dooce shirt! Keep up all your great work and never allow your work to be edited. You are fabulous just the way you are!!
284. Abby said:
I didn't have a chance to go through all of the posts, but a couple of things seem like a good idea. 1)I would love to buy the T shirt! 2)Book deal-think about it. 3)I would pay a fee (a small one, b/c I have a 6 yo daughter who I hope to send to college someday!) to read your blog, as would many others, obviously. 4)Don't put yourself in a situation where you'll be censored or edited-I thibnk that that would take a lot of the heart out of your writing. Good luck! And hugs for Leta and Chuck!
285. Nikki said:
I'm all about 'Dooce' teeshirts and whatnot. Write a book or something, you've got the talent and you certainly would sell copies. Maybe even charging people like, a monthly membership or something, I'd certainly pay it. Please just don't quit on us, I honestly don't know what I'd do without my daily dose of you and your stories, it makes my day just reading your page. I love you guys, I honestly don't think my days would be the same without you.
286. coolbeans said:
If you do a cafepress shirt thingo, offer a color other than white. That keeps me from buying cafepress stuff for me and the little ones. Do moms and kids really wear white shirts? Really?
RE: subscriptions, I'd keep about this much content free, minus archives. On the paid member side, offer permanent comments, more pictures, photo gallery, boob cabbage coleslaw.
I also think you should think big. I'd buy your book and then tell all my friends about it.
There's this newsletter I used to get who has ads and a subscription service. He sells stuff, too. He publishes his stories in a new book each year. Please email me if you want the info. He might be able to answer questions for you.
287. Lloyd Don said:
I wouldn't pay to view this site.
288. Ali said:
I would LOVE to own a dooce t-shirt or, better yet, hoodie. A list of things that annoy you, printed on the entire back? Rocking!
And I would love a Leta-doll like my own child.
289. Tim said:
Open a paypal account and just ask for donations. People will come Ray...
290. Jenny said:
This may be kind of out there, but here's something I would absolutely love: Dooce in audio format. I'm not talking about those cell phone posts that people are doing these days, but something more like you reading your entrys in mp3 format, that people could pay to download. Kind of like a Dooce audio book.
(And I'm also voting yes for the Dooce shirts. I think there's lots of potential for fabulous Dooce designs.)
291. Rachael said:
So with 300 comments to compete with, I doubt mine will even be read. But what is a pregnant lady supposed to do on a Friday night in Utah? Yes, Post money making ideas.
I commend you on wanting to make money. You might as well. I say just start charging a fee for your site. I know I enjoy it enough that I would mind paying $10-$15 to read it. I'm sure that 500 other people would be willing to pay too. So if you charge us say once every 6 months, that's a damn good part time job.
I just wanted to say that I love your parenting stories. I have one on the way in October, and I hope I am half the mom you are to Leta. Never get down on yourself about your parenting skills. You are a wonderful mom.
Take care!
292. Anna said:
I have to admit, first, that I probably fall nowhere near your average demographic - I'm seventeen and still on the Conservative Christian boat. As for kids? ~snort~ Yeah, riiiight. Why do I read? Because you're funny as *heck* (sorry, I'm repressed and sheltered and still working on actually typing THAT WORD) and addictive, to boot!
Despite my hatred of t-shirt advertising, I would buy and wear a dooce.com t-shirt. That's saying a whole lot for you. SELL T-SHIRTS.
293. Anna said:
I have to admit, first, that I probably fall nowhere near your average demographic - I'm seventeen and still on the Conservative Christian boat. As for kids? ~snort~ Yeah, riiiight. Why do I read? Because you're funny as *heck* (sorry, I'm repressed and sheltered and still working on actually typing THAT WORD) and addictive, to boot!
Despite my hatred of t-shirt advertising, I would buy and wear a dooce.com t-shirt. That's saying a whole lot for you. SELL T-SHIRTS.
294. The Guy Reading Your Blog said:
Heather, I love your site and really find it to be quite charming just the way it is. The extras sound like fine ideas, but you've obviously built quite a following with just your commentary and simple, easy-to-navigate functionality. Don't lose sight of that during the redesign.
Merchandising sounds like a lot of hard work and an up-front expense, though I'd pay for Decision-Making Dooce Dice, Dooce Dolls and even Dooce Diapers, assuming they were screen printed with "Oh, the stories I could tell you about my ass" on the rear.
The Dooce Book would catch on QUICKLY. You're a BRILLIANT writer, and as it happens, a very artistic photographer as well. So the "Photo Album Supplement" would sell almost as well.
But for serious clout with the coffee-house crowd, you should ponder a Dooce Drinking Game. One person reads aloud from the Book of Dooce (either online or in handy paperback) and you drink once for boob references, twice for Leta or Chuck references, and scream "HOT FORKS OF DISPLEASURE" any time you mention constipation.
Discount coupons for all of the aforementioned items would be available on specially-marked bottles of Dooce Windshield Wiper Fluid.
295. Rachel Edstrom said:
Yes for Dooce shirts. I'm sure all of my roommates (you have a small and growing fan club here in Duluth) plus my sister would spring for one with out a second thought.
296. Jason said:
I'd hate to see you go "commercial." But if you do, my suggestion is to create a "premium" area for paying users that would allow them to access your archives. That way, those of us that do enjoy your site (but have kids and bills of our own) can still keep up with you day-to-day with your current posts and photos.
297. Jennifer said:
You could have pay links to other people's blogs and diaries. On Diaryland, that is one of the moneymakers - paid banners to link to people's diaries. Though this site is used mainly by young people, I don't see why it couldn't be applied to your blog. The banners are VERY effective at getting people links, since after all the people reading are interested in blogs.
298. Taylor said:
I agree with Kathleen allll the way at the top there. I would be more than willing to pay $10 a year to read the specials. Ok, ok, $20. More Chuck nudies and we'll make it $30 and I'll even promise never to use the term "nudies" again.
299. becky said:
have you found a host yet? i really like mine: affordablehost.com; they are very reliable and have excellent prices. you should contact them and see if they would work out a deal with you as they can do custom packages.
i'm in the process of moving my blog over to expression engine - maybe that would give you some more of the features you're looking for?
you take some great pictures - what about offering some of your prints for a price, or having them printed on clothing at cafe press?
there are other ads besides google. i believe there's a blog ads service that asmallvictory and others use.
i wish there was a way to make money from it, too. but mine's not nearly as entertaining as yours. maybe you could expand some of your posts into essays and turn it into a book of personal essays?
i wish you all the best with it.
300. Very Mom said:
People! She HAS a paypal donate button. It's uh, under the navigational button with the word "DONATE" on it.
Cafepress is a gigantic pain in the butt. Half the stuff gets printed wrong and if you're printing on the cute feminine tees when you stretch the ribbing, the design cracks and ruins. It's better on the boxy men's tees.
If you're going to do merchandise you'll need to do it right, and that means outsourcing major companies and utilizing quality materials. The cafepress stuff is okay on mugs and mousepads but that's not going to make our Doocie Girl the millions that she deserves.
I agree with others in the first 100 posts I read that making the site subscription base would limit your growth substantially. I love the Doocing but how will others come to love the Doocing if all they see is an "enter password to proceed" message on the home page? If only the current post shows that lends a lot of pressure to create an entry every single time that will convince first timers that they want to cought up dough to read more.
I liked the ad space idea - and real ad space that you would manage, not lame 0.005 cents a click sign up deals. Go buy www.advertisementmanager.com and you can put attractive little button banners on your site and sell rotating slots. I'd buy one for each of my companies. I used a free ad manager for a few years but this one is much better. The free one is webadverts - it'd probably come up on google.
There. All of your problems solved in the four-thousandth comment! Hahahahahahahaa