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There is an ongoing argument in this house concerning the correct pronunciation of certain words, and it has only become more heated now that we are helping our child shape her vocabulary. One of my worst fears about living in Utah has always been that Leta would develop a Mormon accent, that there would be nothing I could do to stop her from dropping the T's in the middle of her words -- mountain sounds like mao-in -- or constantly speaking at a deafening volume so that she can be heard over her 14 brothers and sisters.

Jon was raised in northern Utah and is descended from polygamists. Consequently, he can rarely speak a whole sentence without butchering the English language. I just recently noticed that he drops the L's in the middle of his words so that walk becomes wok, talk becomes tak, and chalk becomes a furball caught in the back of his throat. When I pointed out his mistake he claimed that the L is supposed to be silent, and to prove it to me he looked up each word in two separate dictionaries. Both references backed up his claim, but this doesn't surprise me. Dictionaries have always been written by Yankees, and have you ever heard one of them talk?

The one debate that will not die is the one over whether crayon is pronounced cray-on or crown. Jon maintains that crayon is a two-syllable word, CRAY ON, but he also listens to jazz. Both are forgivable but indicative of soft spots in the brain. My sister and I have always pronounced it CROWN. Why use the energy on two syllables when you can get it done with one? Save that second syllable for the precious list of demands you're going to bark at your husband later.

Here is an audio clip of the correct pronunciation of crayon. Also, if you are one of those people who pronounce it CRAN, my hope is that the next time you allow yourselves to release such an obnoxious sound into the world you temporarily go deaf so that your ears don't rot off from the pain.

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  • 301. katy66 said:

    I was born in Northern Ohio and lived there until I was 11. Then I moved to Kentucky.

    Everyone I know claims I have the ugliest accent ever. Think Chicago Mid Western Accent meets Kentucky drawl.

    I say Cray-On, but I say wack, tack and chack.

    I should just mime.

    05.16.06 - 05:08 AM
  • 302. Sunni said:

    Poor Heather, your readers (with the exception of GEORGE!) are rebelling against you.

    I am a big fan of the word crayon, which is pronounced cray-on. I love to say both of its syllables.

    I am an annuciation freak and simply can't tolerate how some people kill the English language. Kind of like when my husband says punkin or birfday. Ugh, I even had trouble typing those words!

    I also have to agree that the Ls in walk, talk and chalk are not annunciated but are silent.

    And George!, groceries are what you BUY at the grocery STORE sweetie!

    However, WATER, is pronounced wooder. It's a Philly thing. lol

    05.16.06 - 05:10 AM
  • 303. ErinMqt said:

    Since about 10,000 people have already told you that it's cray-on, I won't tell you that I agree with them. I will just tell you that I am sorry about the Steely Dan Block Party. My dad (who was born in 1952) is a huge Steely Dan fan, and Steely Dan is the bane of my existence. Stay strong!

    05.16.06 - 05:12 AM
  • 304. Nee said:

    I had a roommate from Cedar City, UT who pronounced the word poem as "poy" with an "m" on the end. My other roommate and I laughed hysterically seeing as we were raised and lived in the midwest, the only place in the country void of an accent. Unless you're my relatives in the sticks of the midwest. Then you slap an "r" into words like wash=warsh. Like friggin nails on a chalkboard.

    Just be sure you educate Leta on the virtue of "oh my heck" and "fer fun" and "fer cute" so she can assimilate accordingly.

    05.16.06 - 05:12 AM
  • 305. plantain said:

    CRAY-ON....
    Then again I'm a fucking mess. Growing up in Ireland for the first eight years of my life means I say things like "I'm going to dress the bed, can you get the sheets out of the press. Then after that I'll do a little hoovering. Would you like me to go up the town for your messages (groceries)".
    Then living in Queensland, Australia till I was 21 means I talk like I'm a hurry. Everything is shortened in OZ eg this afternoon= this arvo and I still drop my r's half the time, but now that I've picked up a Cali twang from being here for 9 years I'm all over the shop.

    05.16.06 - 05:12 AM
  • 306. Jordan said:

    Whoa. Hellooooooo accent. Sorry Heather, I definitely have to go with Jon on this one. It's cray-on.

    05.16.06 - 05:16 AM
  • 307. brandy said:

    Crayola Cray-ons.
    I honestly had to listen to that clip 4 times because I just couldnt believe that you really said crown instead of cray-on.

    Now if you could please put up a clip of you saying the words: aluminum, tuesday and saturday.

    05.16.06 - 05:17 AM
  • 308. HalfwayCrucified said:

    Aren't there more pressing matters we could be talking about? I mean really. . .crayons?

    Could you post another picture of those shoes?

    05.16.06 - 05:20 AM
  • 309. plantain said:

    My mum says 'restaurong'.
    My husband says 'spere' and 'spincter' and the most annoying of all 'pom from' instead of 'palm frond'.

    05.16.06 - 05:20 AM
  • 310. kerry said:

    ok, just to add my two cents: i'm from southern ohio, i say cray-on. but i also say a faint l in walk, talk, etc.

    i may part ways with other southern ohioans, though, when it comes to roof (rooooooof0, wash (wahsh), route (rowt).

    my hubby, who was born and raised in south wales says crayon, too. but then he says there's a difference in the pronunciation of kerry and carrie. even when he says it i can hardly tell a difference, but it drives me nuts. as long as you spell my name correctly, i don't care.

    and here's something to throw out to all of you: does anybody pronounce protein pro-tee-in? my dad does this and it about drives me up the friggin' creek! (not crick)

    05.16.06 - 05:20 AM
  • 311. Jessica May said:

    No no no. C - R - O - W - N is "crown". C - R - A - Y - O - N is definitely "cray-on". I speak with some authority on this subject as I am Canadian, and Canada is a constitutional monarchy. That means that the Queen is our head of state and as everyone knows, the proper way of speaking is to use the "Queen's English". Your head of state is George Bush. I don't think it's necessary for me to further elaborate on this point.

    05.16.06 - 05:20 AM
  • 312. vibegrrl said:

    Yea, it's TOTALLY cray-on.

    Or, as my 3-year old niece says, "cray-non"

    05.16.06 - 05:22 AM
  • 313. liz53 said:

    Sorry Miss Heather, here is Bartleby's (correct) pronunciation of crayon, as a two syllable word: http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/13/C0731300.wav

    I think that you must concede.

    05.16.06 - 05:23 AM
  • 314. Claire Phipps said:

    I say CRAYUN... But then my opinion/pronounciation probably doesn't count for much seeing as I don't have a US accent.

    (I'm from England - an "Essex girl", which means for the mostpart I talk in a strong Estuary English dialect... which is kind of like London Cockney, only its slightly slower, even less attractive and far more common...)

    Sounds great, doesn't it?

    05.16.06 - 05:23 AM
  • 315. vinsanity said:

    Minnesota weighing in ... CRAY-ON.

    2 syllables.

    It rhymes with Rayon.

    05.16.06 - 05:24 AM
  • 316. UWSParent said:

    Why is it that you don't allow for comments on your AlphaMom related posts? Very suspicious. I think it's your subconcious way of convincing yourself that it's OK to dance with the devil.

    05.16.06 - 05:24 AM
  • 317. UWSParent said:

    Oh - and it's CRAY-ON. The word has two syllables.

    05.16.06 - 05:25 AM
  • 318. HalfwayCrucified said:

    My best friend is a master at not only mangling pronounciation but not getting the right word to begin with. My favorite is when he talks about someone's "self deficating sense of humor."

    I know I should correct him but it's so damn funny.

    05.16.06 - 05:26 AM
  • 319. Trish said:

    I am a native Texan and I swear I am saying cray-on but am told it sounds like crown. Texans do the same thing with the word 'oil.' My mouth makes this change when it comes out to ohl. It's one long syllable.

    And doesn't everyone know that the actual word 'crown' has 2 syllables and 'crayon' only has one?

    05.16.06 - 05:33 AM
  • 320. JennyRebecca said:

    Don't forget caramel!! Is it CAR-mel or Care-A-mel!?!?

    05.16.06 - 05:37 AM
  • 321. be OH be said:

    I grew up around Pittsburgh and we tend to mumble and mash our words up quite a bit. A lot of multisyllabic words become one long syllable. I say cray-on if I think about it but often it comes out as something like cren, cran, or even crane.
    After moving a away from the area and then attending college, I became more and more aware of the accent (we call it Pittsburghese).
    I still mispronounce (pronounce differently?) a lot of words in the midst of normal conversation when I'm not concentrating on it but if you specifically asked me what the correct pronounciation of the word is, I could probably tell you. I don't mean to be too judgemental, but your insistence on that pronounciation seems like willful ignorance. You could spend the entire afternoon at your local library and never find a dictionary or pronounciation guide that would even come close to validating "crown". That doesn't make it wrong, but try explaining that to Leta's immature classmates.

    This is a great discussion btw. Very enlightening.

    05.16.06 - 05:39 AM
  • 322. Marie Freeman said:

    Here in the Blue Ridge mountains, I've heard it pronounced both 'Crowns' and 'Ka-Rans'
    How do you say the word, 'on?' as in Please turn on the lights.

    05.16.06 - 05:40 AM
  • 323. utmr said:

    Grew up in Texas - never heard it called "cran" until my Chicago-bred MIL taught my daughter to call it that. I can't get her to call it a cray-on to save my life. She also refuses to say ya'll or fixin, and insists on prounouncing been like "bean".

    How will my child ever survive in Texas if she can't clean her clothers in the "warsher" before she puts them in the chester drawers? She also thinks that a pitcher on the wall is pronounced differently than a pitcher of (sweet) tea. Sheesh. Next thing she will tell me that Mary/merry/marry sound different, along with pin/pen and bury/berry/Barry.

    05.16.06 - 05:49 AM
  • 324. omar said:

    I've lived in this great country my entire life, and I've never known there was another way to say crayon. Other than the correct way of CRAY-ON, that is.

    Here I was thinking that the biggest regional debate was soda/pop/coke.

    05.16.06 - 05:49 AM
  • 325. Msyvone said:

    I just noticed the "link" i included in comment 165, was not a "qwaldy" link.

    http://www.pittsburghese.com

    Ah hopes yinz injoys dat.

    05.16.06 - 05:50 AM
  • 326. napangel said:

    OF COURSE it's pronounced CRAY-on. Crown? CROWN?! What, are you hopped up on dope?!

    Enjoy the Steely Dan.

    05.16.06 - 05:52 AM
  • 327. kellbee said:

    Well, I've had an interesting experience with that word, along with other words in the Redneckish English language. My mother grew up in Iowa. My dad grew up in Arkanas. My step mother grew up in various places, including the proper Southern Belle south and Alaska. I was born and rasied in Northern Arkansas in the Ozark Mountains. That creates for an interesting dialect. Now, in Tennessee, people always ask me if I'm from up North. I'm not sure what to take of that...but I degress.
    I started my younger years saying "crown". But around 6, my stepmother forced me to say "Cray-on" She also make me say "Nap-Kin" instead of "Nat-kin". And, by the way, praline, is pronounce PRA (like Bra)-lean. (This is an exact quote from my dad). When I got to college in west Tennessee, I was informed that I like to say "Bol-th" for both. And it should be pronounce "Bow (like Hair Bow) -th" Oh...God forbid you say ten and pen instead of Tiiiin and Piiiiiin. Geez whiz. It's impossible to find a dialect with that many influences. OH. To top it all off, my first boyfriend (we know what kind of impression they can leave) was from North Dakota and insisted I say aunt like "aUNT" like Aussie. B/c Aussie is aussie, not assie. (again, exact quote.)
    The whole point is to communicate your thought. Who cares who you say it. But please, oh God, please, don't teach your daughter the Tennessee way of saying forward. I had the hardest time understanding what people were saying with that one. It's FOR-WARD, not "ford".
    Love you so much dooce!

    05.16.06 - 05:52 AM
  • 328. lizneust said:

    Um, sorry Heather. My Dad's from the deep south, my Mom's from NY state near Canada, and I was raised in Baltimore. We ALL pronounce it cray-on.

    Of course, my father does refer to events like Katrina & Rita as HARRAH-canes, so he does brutalize the English language to some extent.

    05.16.06 - 05:56 AM
  • 329. jen said:

    I am from Florida (not something I am proud of, lol) and I say craaaan. As in, my mouth is too lazy to actually form the two distinct syllables of CRAY and ON (which would be correct), so instead the CRA part just goes on a few extra nanoseconds.

    Regardless, here is a shirt elucidating on this topic that you may enjoy :
    http://www.noisebot.com/you_say_potato_i_say_fuck_you_t-shirt

    05.16.06 - 05:56 AM
  • 330. goodapple said:

    CRAY-on... two sounds... not one...

    I'm from Canada, my husband is from Indiana... we both say CRAY-on. But your version sound so sweet!

    Hint: if you have to pause during the spelling of the word... it's probably two syllables!

    05.16.06 - 06:01 AM
  • 331. Jennifer said:

    Cray-on. Say it with me now: Cray-on.

    But seriously? I would hate it if you started pronouncing crayon correctly. Incidentally, my husband teases me about saying "wooder" instead of "water." It's just the way marriage goes when you have two overly verbal people in it.

    05.16.06 - 06:01 AM
  • 332. Princess of Power said:

    Oh hell. I say Cran. It sure looks stupid written out though doesn't it?

    05.16.06 - 06:03 AM
  • 333. honey bunny said:

    i'm a new yorker and we say it with two syllables. CRAY-On. i lived in MA for 12 years, and many of the locals pronounce it with one syllable, but it sounds like CRANE. i'm not sure how people here in Mpls say it (since i've only been here 3 months), but i'm sure it ends with a "youbetcha!"

    but i have to admit, i've never heard it pronounced the way you say it!

    05.16.06 - 06:04 AM
  • 334. 6degrees said:

    Dude! (pronounced "Dood", not "Deewd") Crawn? Crown? I think if you loop you pronunciation of crown, I mean Crayon (pronounced Cray- On!!), you might sound like somebody trying to start their car which has run out of gas! By the way, Crayola is pronounced Cray- O- La, not, crowola, or Corolla, or Coca- Cola. BTW, I thought Utah was by Nevada and Colorado, not Tennessee and Alabama.

    In all reality, love the site and you guys. Just putting in my $.02, and siding with Blurb on this... Sorry...

    05.16.06 - 06:13 AM
  • 335. moonrattled said:

    I'd be more afraid of your sister than Jon, who pronounces words like Canadians do, and Canadians pronounce like the English, and the English have correct enunciation.

    05.16.06 - 06:13 AM
  • 336. Katie said:

    I'd say you were goofy for thinking it's pronounced "crown," but I'm one of those crazies who pronounce it "cran," and I full well know it's wrong, so I can't really speak to that. My girlfriend is from the same hometown as I am, and she also calls it "cran." This is a wonderful debate, though... a friend of mine used to tease me for saying the word "full" like "fool." I insisted that I did no such thing, and that I was saying it the proper way. Then, the other day, I overheard a girl from Ohio (which is where I'm from) say "fool" when she meant to say "full," and I was so ashamed.

    As a kid, I was always dismayed that living in Northeastern Ohio (Youngstown) came with absolutely NO ACCENT. I'd visit my cousins in Florida and be extremely jealous of how interesting they sounded. Even Cleveland, and hour west of me, sported folks with accents. I learned recently that the pronounciation editor of the 2nd edition of Webster's in the 30s, John Kenyon, grew up in Northeastern Ohio, and he helped to make that dialect the standard American dialect. (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/051114ta_talk_seabrook)

    I still don't know why I was ever taught to say "crayon" like "cran." That's just plain stupid.

    :-)

    05.16.06 - 06:17 AM
  • 337. Mack'sMom said:

    Do we need to discuss the word AUNT??

    It's not ANT!!!!! You step on ANTS you hug your AUNT!

    You wouldn't say "Hanted House," you would say "Haunted House!"

    It drives me crazy!!!!!

    05.16.06 - 06:22 AM
  • 338. Fyse said:

    Oh dear god Heather. I can't begin to tell you how wrong your pronunciation of crayon is. So, so, SO wrong. I think we need a recording of John saying it too, though. Perhaps you're both way off, and Leta is completely screwed...

    05.16.06 - 06:22 AM
  • 339. Smark! said:

    Say it with me now....

    Cray-ola makes cray-ons!

    05.16.06 - 06:24 AM
  • 340. lbrum said:

    I think you may have made up a word and applied it to an object previously known as a cray-on. But I am a Yankee, so I'm probably just being ignorant.

    05.16.06 - 06:26 AM
  • 341. Lynnlaw said:

    I think I just got a spanking. Ouch. I'm going to have to pack up my "crans" go up to my room and think about my mispronunciation.

    05.16.06 - 06:26 AM
  • 342. Mack'sMom said:

    Hey moonrattled...if the English say everything right, we should be saying the SCH in SCHEDULE, instead of "SECDULE." The English have butchered their own language too...

    I hate how people say ANT, when they are talking about their AUNT. There's a "U" in their people!! You wouldn't say HANTED HOUSE, you'd say HAUNTED HOUSE!

    05.16.06 - 06:27 AM
  • 343. Mack'sMom said:

    Imagine that, a typ-o....

    I meant to say that we say SCHEDULE as SCEDule....whoops.

    05.16.06 - 06:29 AM
  • 344. Jennifer in Ohio said:

    Ok, I'm sorry but the person who said that it's ok to say nuculer instead of nuclear is just wrong. It grates on my nerves to hear it said like that.

    That's like the people who say ath-a-lete. It's athlete, two syllables! No more!

    05.16.06 - 06:29 AM
  • 345. jw said:

    CRAY -- own

    05.16.06 - 06:29 AM
  • 346. PK said:

    Amen, sister.
    Also, w-o-l-f, pronounced "woof", and b-u-t-t-o-n, pronounced "buddun", and w-i-s-h, pronounced "woosh".

    05.16.06 - 06:31 AM
  • 347. lilaclifter said:

    I'm afraid I agree with Jon on this one. I have never heard crayon pronounced crown and I've lived in many states. I've always heard cray-on or cran.

    05.16.06 - 06:31 AM
  • 348. Scarlett said:

    As a beneficiary of a Tennessee childhood myself, I have to say... CRAY-on. Sorry.

    05.16.06 - 06:39 AM
  • 349. Mommy-Brain said:

    Northern California girl checking in with CRAY-on, wok, tok, chawk. File me under never having even considered another way.

    The one that fascinates me, aside from woof (wolf), is foyer. Is it foy-yay, foy-YER, or FOY-yer?

    At least Leta will be considered bilingual, given that her parents speak two completely different languages!

    05.16.06 - 06:42 AM
  • 350. Killeen said:

    Question, how do you pronounce "rayon"?

    Love ya doocer but I'm also with Jon on this one.

    05.16.06 - 06:42 AM
  • 351. curlygirlymm said:

    I'm a southerner born and raised (Georgia), and everyone in my family pronounces it cray-on. On the other hand, I've never imagined that you COULD pronounce walk and talk without the L. Someone earlier is right- they're soft, but definitely there.

    05.16.06 - 06:43 AM
  • 352. GoCubsAmy said:

    In Chicago it's CRAY-on. We don't have accents here!

    05.16.06 - 06:49 AM
  • 353. Kari said:

    So is Leta going to think there's two different kinds of coloring implements? The ones she uses with Mama and the ones she uses with Daddy?

    (I have heard it pronounced "crown" before, but it was by a Jack Mormon. Sorry.)

    05.16.06 - 06:51 AM
  • 354. Kerri said:

    Oh my. I love that this post has already inspired 353 people to comment. I agree with John on all counts, and submit that perhaps it is you, dear Dooce, who is butchering the language. Crown? WaLk? Who says that?

    Please don't let the fact that I'm from NJ color your judgement of my comment. Although I do, in fact, say "wudder" for "water", most of that Sopranos-esque accent comes from NEW YORK, not NJ.

    05.16.06 - 06:56 AM
  • 355. LeafGirl77 said:

    You know... I read this post and thought "Everyone KNOWS it's Crayon".

    Then I said it.

    I say Cran. Shit.

    05.16.06 - 06:57 AM
  • 356. ritsgirl said:

    I believe the correct pronunciation is cray-in. I'll also admit to saying cee-ment and inkpen. This must be endearing because sometimes when I'm talking, my husband will smile and shake his head, and give me a great big hug making me forget what I was saying. Either that or he's trying to shut me up out of the goodness of his heart.

    05.16.06 - 07:03 AM
  • 357. BigA said:

    I had to listen to that several times just to make sure I was hearing what I thought I was hearing. Wow. Now my father is a yankee (from NYC) and my mother is a southerner (from SC) so I've spent a good bit of time in both areas. NEVER have a heard such a pronunciation. It is truly remarkable and you gets points for that alone. Still - Jon is right. Yankees won the war after all.

    05.16.06 - 07:06 AM
  • 358. cagey said:

    Here in Kansas we say "crayon", but I'll be a monkey's uncle - I sure as hell can't vouch for what the Kansas Bored of Education would say is the correct pro-nounce-iation.

    05.16.06 - 07:07 AM
  • 359. Mel said:

    Save yourself the trouble and just call them "colors" which is what we did when I was a girl. However, I must say that cray-on is clearly the winning choice.

    And now that my daughter just bonked her head on a table, I must depart.

    05.16.06 - 07:11 AM
  • 360. jessica said:

    after saying it a few times, i find myself saying cran, but there is something weird w/ the "a", as if it strains to last a bit longer than it should, maybe as if it is blocking an "yo" in there? i don't know. i never liked saying that word in the first place.

    i grew up in MN, have lived in TN for about 5 years now. and i never, until moving here, heard the thing where people would drop the L in words like cold and old and it just makes my skin quiver. unless they actually have a cold. then it's ok.

    my born and raised tennessean friend votes cray-on. just for the record. but she also purposely avoided the accent somehow.

    05.16.06 - 07:14 AM
  • 361. AuntEliz said:

    I would say cray-on. The only single syllable pronunciation I've ever heard is the painful CRAN. Yikes! But I have a confession. Being from the South (Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas)...deep in my heart....they're not cray-ons; they're not crowns; they're not crans. They're colors.

    05.16.06 - 07:16 AM
  • 362. kate said:

    Um, I don't know which Chicago GoCubsAmy is from, but--no accent? Honey, seriously now. When I went to college in Missouri, I got made fun of for the ridiculously hard/nasal vowel sounds in such inoccuous words as "box" and "dollar". And, I gotta disagree with you. Everyone I know says "cran" around here. It's not right, but there it is. And, it's got the hardest sounding "aah" sound ever.

    No accent in "tchicahgo". Must be an uppity north-sider. (I kid!)

    05.16.06 - 07:17 AM
  • 363. bloomingyou said:

    Dictionary.com has it as two syllables Cray-on.

    Sorry Heather but Jon is right on this one.

    05.16.06 - 07:20 AM
  • 364. Betsy said:

    Look at all these comments - dialect makes people crazy!

    I am a Southern OH girl married to a native westerner. We (lovingly) argue about dialect differences all the TIME.

    Our latest: I say /bowl/ and /bull/ are homonyms. DH disagrees. Alas the dictionary backs him up. But I'm the English major and he's the software engineer so no matter: I win. ;-)

    PS: I'm pretty sure I pronounce the /l/ in /walk/ and /chalk/. I *have* however broken myself from the following hillbillyisms:

    Crick for creek
    Warsh for wash
    Ohiya for Ohio

    05.16.06 - 07:21 AM
  • 365. JennJenn said:

    Holy Crap that's a funny post!
    (and I needed it this morning)

    And by the way, when you say, "I asked you if that was your poopie diaper", it's pronounced Assked, not Axed.

    And when you say, "That's especially delightful Ragu", it's pronounced esssspecially, not exxpecially.

    05.16.06 - 07:22 AM
  • 366. andrea said:

    I even created a typepad account so I could chime in on this one!

    Either cray-on or cran.... never crown

    05.16.06 - 07:22 AM
  • 367. rodona said:

    It's cran if you're from Chicago.

    Every time I read the cray-on pronunciation it seems like you should lift your pinkie when you drink your tea.

    I got in trouble at my in-laws' when they asked me to "take stuff up" (take food off the stove and put it in bowls on the table) and didn't know what they meant.

    05.16.06 - 07:25 AM
  • 368. zan said:

    From the Harvard/MIT dialect survey:

    http://cfprod01.imt.uwm.edu/Dept/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/q_9.html

    For me, from Southwestern Ohio, it's "cran," with a bit of a lilt between the 'a' and the 'n' ("cray-in").

    05.16.06 - 07:26 AM
  • 369. bellybuttonbugs said:

    I grew up in Australia where it was definitely Cray-on. I too haven't heard the crown version.

    I've checked with some colleagues here (London, UK)and they all say it is cray-on too. Sorry Heather. But, don't know if you can believe them, as some cockney londoners say 'fings' instead of things and 'free' instead of 'three'. Now that does my head in.

    B x

    PS. thank you for brightening up my day

    05.16.06 - 07:30 AM
  • 370. cate said:

    Cray-on dooce girl!!

    Now post an audio of your apology to your luvin' husband!!

    05.16.06 - 07:34 AM
  • 371. blogthemagnificentferret said:

    Ain't regional variations fun?

    I find myself in agreement with the people who stick up for "colors," too. "Crayon" (which, as I posted above, I say CRAN) is too fancy, reserved for cocktail parties and meetins with the royal family.

    My mom, who grew up in like western Illinois, said "warsh," but my first grade teacher told the class during a reading lesson that there is no r in "warsh." Heavily traumatic - my parents showed me the dictionary, which proved the teacher was right, and I ran off to get a pen to correct the dictionary.

    Anybody have any opinions on "sofa" vs. "couch" vs. "davenport"?

    Heather, when you pronounce "Crayon," it's a two-syllable word, because the "o" sound in "crown" is actually two sounds, kind of like "ah-oou." If you focus, you can feel your lips moving in the middle of the vowel . . . and of course, it's more obvious in Southern pronunciation.

    05.16.06 - 07:38 AM
  • 372. lainofthewired said:

    Well, I have to say it's definatly cray-on, BUT I have heard many people pronounce it CROWN. In fact, there is one in my office right now. I live in northern Florida where we have a mix of three distinct accents: the neutral, non-accent (me), Scarlett O'Hara, and the Beverly Hillbilly (thanks, Wakulla County). The Beverly Hillbillys always say CROWN. So it is not a southern thing, per se, it is a redneck thing. Sorry to lay the redneck label on you, Dooce.

    05.16.06 - 07:40 AM
  • 373. rodona said:

    Oooh! I actually considered saying something about "davenports".

    My grandma said "davenport" (Chicago), but she was the only one I ever heard say it (maybe some of her neighbors, but I don't know about them). Mom says it was a brand name, but we kids always thought it was hilarious.

    It's definitely "couch". Sofa is what you sit on when you lift your pinkie while drinking your tea and later on color with cray-ons.

    05.16.06 - 07:43 AM
  • 374. lainofthewired said:

    Oooh, speaking of pet peeves with phrasing, I own a restaurant, and people from South Florida frequently say "what does it bring" instead of "what does it come with" when refering to side items for an entree. It drives me insane!!!!! Food does not bring anything!!! They even say it when describing the food to someone else, "Yeah, the chicken teriyaki brings broccoli and carrots". OMG... Oh, yeah, and "you might could" when making a suggestion. STOP IT NOW BEFORE I EXPLODE! That is all.

    05.16.06 - 07:48 AM
  • 375. flytrixie said:

    Smark! has got it right. Now it's your turn, Heather. Remember, Cray-ola makes cray-ons.

    05.16.06 - 07:49 AM
  • 376. cate said:

    My Nana called a couch a davenport.

    She also said thinks like "I was up ta the Market yesterday"

    05.16.06 - 07:54 AM
  • 377. Mack'sMom said:

    A Davenport is a name brand....just like a lot of people call "tissues" Kleenex. (Or like the English say they are Hoovering...when they are vacuuming)

    05.16.06 - 08:03 AM
  • 378. edie said:

    WOW! Judging by the number of comments here I guess there's quite the debate over cray-on and crown. I'm of the cray-on persuassion myself. I used to know a girl who said "crown" and it took me forever to figure out what she was talking about, heh.

    05.16.06 - 08:05 AM
  • 379. Nat W. said:

    Wait, there's a difference between fool and full?

    05.16.06 - 08:09 AM
  • 380. Antennapaedia said:

    Late to the party, as always. But to this Southern girl? "Crayon," not "crown." And it's Tawk, Wawk, etc. no L.

    Sorry, I side with Jon, too. And the "crown" think actually struck me as a Northern speech variant (although, Tennessee IS significantly north of where I grew up."

    05.16.06 - 08:20 AM
  • 381. Ty said:

    I think the only way CROWN makes sense is that you are clearly pronouncing it CRAYWN.

    My ears are hurting from trying to imagine the "l" in walk, talk and chalk.

    05.16.06 - 08:27 AM
  • 382. HeathsB said:

    my head thinks cray-on but cran is all that comes out. i need some help on a word that was debated this weekend... foliage... fol-i-age or foll-age? and i am from washington state not warsh-in-ton, who puts an "r" in there?! my bet is on the people who say crown.

    05.16.06 - 08:27 AM
  • 383. bud said:

    sorry, heather, but as above, Crayon comes from the French, both from "to write" {écrire, say: "eh-kreer"} and "chalk" {craie, say: "cray" (but with that rolling "r" the French do)} (think of a crayon as waxy chalk...)
    hence, it's a two-syllable word!

    but you have the coolest accent!!!

    05.16.06 - 08:37 AM
  • 384. Barefoot Cajun said:

    Man, can I relate.

    My ex-Mormon, raised mostly in Orem husband pronounces wash as warsh. I am often thankful that we don't have children.

    I can solve the crayon issue for you.

    Call them colors as we do here in the deep south.

    05.16.06 - 08:38 AM
  • 385. syzygy said:

    California native weighing in here : It is Cray-on. However I grew up with a mother who is a native of West Virginia so Lawyer is LAWYUR, woman=WOLMIN, and Teasure= TREYZUR. And in high school I was laughed at mercilessly by my french girlfriend's family who pronounced "how have you BEEN" as "how have you BEAN" and mayonaise as mayo-NEZ. whatever...so uppity.

    05.16.06 - 08:49 AM
  • 386. Melissa Shea said:

    Given the southern heritage, it's surprising that I vote for "cray-on" here... But as for something like pecan it's definitely "puh-cahn". But then again I'm weird because toilet is "tole-et" and not "toy-let". Oil is "ole", boil is "bole". Yah. Howdy y'all.

    05.16.06 - 08:59 AM
  • 387. Shash said:

    You are a true southern gal with the crown pronunciation.

    It's a tomato/tomahto thing.

    05.16.06 - 09:04 AM
  • 388. ladylivewire said:

    "Dictionaries have always been written by Yankees, and have you ever heard one of them talk?"

    I love you for this. If you say "cray-on" really fast, you can totally hear how it starts to sound like "crown," which is how I have always said it. But what's amazing to me is how angry people get when everyone doesn't speak exactly like they do. That's what makes traveling and meeting new people so interesting!

    Anyway, for what it's worth, I think your accent is awesome.

    05.16.06 - 09:17 AM
  • 389. Angela said:

    NO it is NOT. I love ya Heather, but if anyone sounds like a back woods redneck it would be the person pronouncing Crayon as Crown....and the L is silent. w-a-L-k....Seriously...you have to be kidding.

    05.16.06 - 09:24 AM
  • 390. Kazzer said:

    That's a pretend voice, right?

    05.16.06 - 09:24 AM
  • 391. Tanya said:

    Are you from Memphis? And do you pronounce Memphis with only one M? (Meh-phis) An ex-boyfriend of mine has the same speech patterns you have.

    05.16.06 - 09:33 AM
  • 392. ErinJ said:

    Through the entire post I was repeating the word in my head "cran, cran, cran"!!!!!!!!

    05.16.06 - 09:33 AM
  • 393. Kiki said:

    I grew up in Provo, Utah, and I'm a Mormon, and I say CRAY-on. However, I like the way Heather says it much better, so now I am going to say, "crown," and I'm going to make my kids say it like that, too.

    05.16.06 - 09:41 AM
  • 394. jenjifer said:

    Haven't gotten through all nearly 400 posts yet, but I have to ask -- how do you pronounce that synthetic material "rayon" -- "ROWN"? I guess it's just Dooce-bonics.

    Jon is sooooo right on this one. Did you actually think you'd get validation by anyone (except from those with more appliances on the front lawn than teeth in their mouth?)

    Now for my personal favorite mis-pronounciations -- Mine, pronounced like the empire (My-an) and fustrated, without that first (and necessary) R.

    05.16.06 - 09:47 AM
  • 395. mindylou00 said:

    Just so you know, my friend kelly used to pronounce it CROWN as a child, and she got sent to speech therapy. Food for thought.

    05.16.06 - 09:51 AM
  • 396. monkey said:

    As someone mentioned before, living in Southern Ohio comes with its own dialect for words such as wash, creek and roof, so I'm told. I have never picked up any of them. Go figure.

    05.16.06 - 09:51 AM
  • 397. Jessica said:

    I always thought crown was a messed up Utah pronunciation.

    I want to hear how you pronounce walk.

    My favorite that I'm guilty of are measure and eggs both using a long "a" sound instead of an "e". Will you maasure me a cup of aagg whites?

    05.16.06 - 09:52 AM
  • 398. nooccar said:

    My wife and I deal with this all of the time. For us it's "color"... She pronounces it "keller". Her people are from Philly so that explains it.

    BTW I am also a CRAY ON-er.

    05.16.06 - 09:56 AM
  • 399. Croupier said:

    Every time you upload a video clip, or an audio clip, or any kind of clip really, I secretly always think, "Yeah, but what we REALLY wanna see is one of these legendary Leta fits we're always hearing so much about!"

    I know I'm a bad person. You don't have to tell me.

    05.16.06 - 10:00 AM
  • 400. jennifer_starfall said:

    when i was 6 years old, my parents moved me out of the city and into a little town i like to call east overshoe. i finished the last two weeks of my first grade year in a new school filled with hillbillies. on the last day of school, i got into a fight with two girls named kelly and a boy named chris over the pronunciation of our chosen art supply. this caused such a rift that for the next 11 years, we never spoke. they disagreed with me, but i still think they were wrong. oh so very wrong.

    it says so right on the paper wrapping and all over the box:

    CRAY. ON.

    05.16.06 - 10:13 AM
  • 401. bonkersmomof4 said:

    Heather, your Memphis roots are showing. I was born and raised here (went to high school with your brother) and was always very confused when other kids would ask me to give them the blue crown. But they do it. Almost all of them! I don't know how I escaped, but I say cray-ahn.
    You are however, correct in pronouncing the L in walk, talk, and chalk. How the heck can you not say walk differently from wok?

    05.16.06 - 10:38 AM
  • 402. Kaymadmom said:

    crayon=CRAY.ON. (even the brand is CRAYola)
    crown=crown

    I need to go breathe deeply in a bag, I am way too worked up by this mispronunciation.

    05.16.06 - 10:39 AM
  • 403. toph said:

    Pronouncing the word Crayon as Crown would be like pronouncing the word Biscuit as Basquiat. It just makes no sense.

    And it's cray-on.

    05.16.06 - 10:42 AM
  • 404. MissDirected said:

    You're one of those people that say things like peench and poime instead of pinch and poem, aren't you?

    05.16.06 - 10:43 AM
  • 405. LisaG said:

    I predict you will learn to love Steely Dan. Holy shit. Crown? Really?

    05.16.06 - 10:47 AM
  • 406. rosie said:

    I moved around a lot at the pivotal crayon using age.

    It was "crown" in Austin, "cray-on" in Chicago, "cran" in Michigan, "cran" in Baltimore, and "cray-on" again here in California. I've stuck with "cran" mostly, though I'm positive "cray-on" is correct.

    05.16.06 - 10:50 AM
  • 407. Carole Karnofski said:

    An Oregon gal here throwing in her two cents. I don't believe there is one correct way to say "crayon." It's like CaRIBbean and CariBBEAN. Or HARassment and harASSment. Although I will admit that my mother, who spent a number of years living in Texas, says cray-ins. CRAY-INN. When you say it fast it kinda sounds like "cranes." I don't know if it's right, but it's all I have.

    05.16.06 - 10:53 AM
  • 408. Carole Karnofski said:

    Oh, and my mother has been known to pronounce walk, talk, etc. as WOWK, TOWK. So it seems that not only is the 'l' silent, but you need to add a 'w' as well.

    05.16.06 - 10:56 AM
  • 409. Scarlett said:

    I already weighed in on CRAY-on, but it does occur to me that I overlooked the more pressing issue: that of walk, talk, chalk... I mean, the L is there, people, and should be spoken. A "wok" is something I make spicy curry noodles in; a "walk" is what I take afterward so they don't end up amassing on my thighs.

    05.16.06 - 10:57 AM
  • 410. toph said:

    The “L” in Walk, Talk and chalk are there, just not enunciated. If they were to be spoken, Tom Brokaw would have choked to death on his own tongue ages ago.

    And after giving it some more thought, I could see someone the likes of Justin Wilson pronouncing the word Crayon "Crown".

    05.16.06 - 11:05 AM
  • 411. Tina K. said:

    I was born in and still live in Los Angeles County. I say it with two syllables, but it's more like CRAY-in. But my daughter, heaven help her, says CROWN. How is that??? Where did she come from?

    05.16.06 - 11:19 AM
  • 412. jeffeners said:

    Crown? Cran? WTF? It's cray-on, dudes!

    Here's one from Maine that I haven't gotten used to after being here for 25 years. I grew up near Campbell, California, which we prounounced camble, rhymes with gamble. Here it's Camp-bell, whether it's someone's last name or the soup. Makes me crazy.

    05.16.06 - 11:25 AM
  • 413. Deja Cain said:

    CRAY-ONS are for kids who grow up in trailer parks.
    CRANS are for kids that grow up in two parent households.

    05.16.06 - 11:26 AM
  • 414. American Wife said:

    Oh Dear. Crown? Crown? How can you ignore all the letters and their natural pronunciations like that? Okay. Did you ever hear the phrase "When two vowels go walking the first one does the talking"? The letter Y being it's versatile self and working as a vowel in this word, creating the long A sound: "crA-on"

    Hilarious.

    You are absolutely my favorite daily read but please do not home school your adorable Leta.

    05.16.06 - 11:35 AM
  • 415. Vicky said:

    hehe, loving the comment above :) Sorry Heather, but I'm going to have to go with the CRAY-ON camp on this one. Crayyyy onnn. At least, here in the UK that's how most people I know say it...

    05.16.06 - 11:39 AM
  • 416. spinsteraunt said:

    I'm from Chicago and we like our hard A's, so I say "cran." Don't see where someone who says "Crown" for crayon and pronounces the "ls" in walk and talk gets off making fun of "cran," though.

    Gonna have to call in Chomsky on this one, I think.

    05.16.06 - 12:11 PM
  • 417. girl said:

    it's definitely cray-on, but I'm from Michigan (and now living in Texas), so I could just be really confused.

    05.16.06 - 12:17 PM
  • 418. plantain said:

    It's car-a-mel... not carmel... that's so annoying. My pet peeve is American's mis-pronouncing Australian cities. Brisbun not Brisbain, Melbun not Melborn. And it's Ozzie not Assie. And we call them prawns not shrimp... I've actually never seen anyone put shellfish of any kind on a bbq in Oz... it's usually sausages (snags) or burgers.
    Sorry to pick on the Americans...
    Australians are quite bad at creating words and pronunciations that mangle the english language.. my favourite (not) is 'anyfink' 'nuffink' 'somefink'... this is usually backwards Queensland country people - think Steve Irwin, but not as articulate.... yeah, exactly!

    05.16.06 - 12:24 PM
  • 419. Eilu J said:

    I'll say it however Leta says it.

    But until we get a sound clip of that, I'm going to have to stick with my old Midwestern-born-and-bred way of saying it.

    Cran.

    CRAAAAAAAN.

    If, as a child, I would have asked for the "cray-ons," someone would have asked me if I needed a "crown" too, because who exactly did I think I was, the Queen of England?

    Too bad I can't hear the sound clip. But I'm already laughing so hard from reading these comments that I might as well stand up and yell, "THIS IS NOT A WORK-RELATED ACTIVITY!"

    Carry on!

    05.16.06 - 12:33 PM
  • 420. Daugher In Law said:

    C-R-O-W-N is crown.
    C-R-A-Y-O-N is cray-on.

    I hail from Easton, PA. Yes. The home of Binney and Smith. Don't mess with cray-on!

    05.16.06 - 12:39 PM
  • 421. Shazza said:

    okay, I speak english (as opposed to American), I'm scottish (which means I know what I'm talking about, obviously) AND I live in France, which gives me the authority to tell you that lovely hubby is right all the way, Beaufort is pronounced bo-for (have been reading your archives).
    and if you can't agree that crayon is pronounced cray-on then I suggest you switch to pencils...can't go wrong saying pencils can you?

    05.16.06 - 12:45 PM
  • 422. Jewels said:

    Okay, so I totally pronounce it Cray-on. And it works for me. But I also say the l in WALK. If you don't say the L, it comes out WOK, and to me, that is something you cook with. To stir fry. Right???? Oh yeah, and I grew up in surburbia, and not a trailer park. If that helps!

    05.16.06 - 12:50 PM
  • 423. chollyson said:

    Why would it be pronounced "crown?" That is like saying poem should be pronounced "pom." You are totally taking out the middle syllable. Oh dooce, if you awesomeness had not already been proven to me, this would be a good enough reason not to like you.

    05.16.06 - 01:02 PM
  • 424. GA_GAL said:

    I grew up in rural GA, and even I know the answer to this question.

    It is pronounced "CRAY-ON". You can't even blame that on the South, lot's of things you can, but we're not going down for this one!

    This is way too funny!!! I visit this site to brighten my day, and I just HAD TO chime in.

    What about people from Oklahoma who think you pronounce 'right', "rhaaaaaaaght?" Doesn't get more country than that.

    05.16.06 - 01:02 PM
  • 425. Amy said:

    I had to wait to get home to listen on my computer to you saying "crown". I just couldn't figure out how you'd get "crown" out of cray-on. Now that I've heard it...I still don't get it. Guess it's a southern thing!

    I also grew up in Utah and drop letters from words, add r's where they don't belong and make one syllable words into two. In my world, pool is pronounced poo-ul, same with schoo-ul and coo-ul. I got corrected once by a friend in NYC and I had no idea how I was saying it wrong. Oh my poor daughter!

    Wonder how Leta will say crayon... keep us posted!

    05.16.06 - 01:04 PM
  • 426. jaclyng said:

    heather, you're high. cute, but high.

    05.16.06 - 01:15 PM
  • 427. TripTikGirl said:

    I say "CRAN"...so I guess there's something wrong with me?

    Then again, I have a Midwestern accent, and we sound just like people on TV...so nanner nanner nanner! :P

    05.16.06 - 01:21 PM
  • 428. AuntyJaney said:

    I can't believe you could do a trick and change my MSN messenger to have a message saying CROWN. You are SO wrong there by the way
    it is so CRAY - ON
    crown....wha? I can't believe your accent. In my head when I read you, you sound Canadian!!!

    05.16.06 - 01:33 PM
  • 429. mslizardc said:

    First time to comment! Love this site. One of my daily must reads...

    I think the dropping of consonants is NOT strictly a Utah thing. I grew up in Jersey and always say "mou-in" (mountain) which dives my Malibu, CA raised BF nuts. But then again he says "bra" (as in yo, bro'). I think that's worse!

    And for what's it worth-I'm a 2 syllable cra-yon pronouncer.

    05.16.06 - 01:35 PM
  • 430. LadySincere said:

    and holy shiznet.....i just asked(not axed) my 6 year old how she said crayon and can you guess what came out of her sweet lil head......

    CROWN...wtf! who is this child? ack...so i said "can you say CRAY and then ON" she did but when i said to put them together....CROWN was all that came out.

    AHA...so i ask my 3 year old....and guess what he says? CRAY-ON :) WOOT!

    now to quiz my 19month old. im pretty sure he will just eat it though.

    as a sidenote....we are military, so transplanted here to the KY/TN border.

    05.16.06 - 01:55 PM
  • 431. thegiddykipper said:

    Brilliant! 'Crown'?! That's the same as pronouncing 'ham' as 'keifer sutherland'. I know, I'm Enlgish and therefore my forefathers invented your language.

    PS Sigur Ros do indeed ROCK. I lost my virginity to them.

    05.16.06 - 02:15 PM
  • 432. Alien Brit said:

    OMG, you cant go around saying crown for crayon, are you crazy! Americans already drop their t's, well change them to d's, its confusing enough and im English, what if i were german or french - they'd have no clue wot you're on about.

    btw i love the blogging.

    05.16.06 - 02:28 PM
  • 433. Piglet said:

    How on earth can you read that many comments. You are truly a saint for reading all your comments :)

    You know how crazy these yankees get when you start teachin' em' how to pronounce words right. Just smile and nod, and let them think they are right (even tho hearing real yankee's tawlk makes my ears bleed out right). God love em'

    Obviously Jon is no fool for marrying a real woman right?! My husband is a Yankee and is much happier now that he is with a Southern woman.

    No offense ya'll...

    05.16.06 - 02:54 PM
  • 434. Pioneer Woman said:

    My high school boyfriend pronounced it "CRAN" and it made me want to bash his head in with sports equipment.

    It's CRAY-ON.

    05.16.06 - 03:13 PM
  • 435. Alexandria said:

    I listened to the voice post three times just because I love giggle-fits so.
    Wow. Now I want to hear what Jon sounds like.
    I grew up in Mississippi (I live in Kentucky now) and it's amazing how different people from around the US can sound. Fascinating.
    It's Cray-on, btw.
    I would go back and listen to my voice posts on my blog and see how I sound, but most of them are of me singing and sound horrible (not sure why I torture the three people that read my blog with them as even Dido sounds awful when recorded through a cell phone. sadly, the voice of experience speaks), and I'm not sure which are which, and I don't want to scare myself by listening to myself. Maybe another day.

    05.16.06 - 03:26 PM
  • 436. Steph said:

    My people descend from Brooklyn and Long Island respectively, and pardon me, but it is CRAY-AWN. As in "Hees yah freakin' cray-awn, auvright?!"

    05.16.06 - 03:32 PM
  • 437. MamaPajama said:

    Now, I say Cray-On but that's just overcompensation for my immediately family that use the dreaded Cran. They also pronounce wash as warsh. It's a hard world.

    05.16.06 - 03:50 PM
  • 438. manda said:

    I had no stinking clue people pronounced it something other than cray-yon, until I had been married for a few years, and my husband called it a crown. The man I married? I felt like I had been living a lie. What else does he mispronounce? At least he doesn't add the "L" sound in walk. That may just qualify us for a divorce.

    05.16.06 - 03:58 PM
  • 439. Candice said:

    I'm with you, Heather. It's totally pronounced "crown".

    I loved the audio clip. I (the straightest woman on the planet) think your voice is crazy sexy.

    05.16.06 - 04:15 PM
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