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Celebrating Five Years of Public Stupidity, The Post

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Today is the fifth birthday of this website. The very first post I wrote which has since been removed along with almost a half a year of posts ended with this poem:

Carnation milk is the best in the land;
Here I sit with a can in my hand.
No tits to pull, no hay to pitch,
You just punch a hole in the son of a bitch.

By everyone's favorite commenter, Anonymous.

I included this poem on that first post because I didn't know yet what I wanted to write about. I started this website as a place to throw around my creative energy, and this poem was one of the only ones I knew from memory (BYU should be proud of its alumni!). In the beginning my logic went like this: who wants to read about the sex I'm having with soap stars when I can recite poetry about milk cartons? The bigger story that never got told was why a soap star was sleeping with someone who was reciting poetry about milk cartons.

All of this is to say that under different circumstances this website could have turned into one dedicated to cows. I could have been a cow-blogger.

To celebrate this anniversary I wanted to open up comments around a discussion that has a lot to do with what has happened here over the last year, a topic I will be discussing on a panel at SxSW in Austin in less than two weeks. Never did I imagine that the website that once got me fired would one day bring in enough money that it would support my family. Never did I imagine that by the age of thirty I would be working my dream job.

At the same time I still consider myself first and foremost a stay-at-home-mom. That probably doesn't compute to some people and I'm sure it doesn't fit some people's definition of what a stay-at-home-mom is supposed to be, and that's fine, whatever. I still spend the majority of my time awake with my daughter, I still take her on long, leisurely walks in the morning and sit down at the table with her for every meal. My life after making this website ad-supported is not much different than my life before except that I now have adult company all day long. And I don't think I would have agreed to do this if changing my life that way had been required.

A couple days ago I got an email from a reader named Sara (hi Sara!) who asked if I'd comment on what law professor Linda Hirshman recently said on "Good Morning America" about how it's a mistake for educated women to stay at home with their kids. It's not a new argument, and my first reaction is: she's trying to sell something. I understand the basis of her argument, that by choosing to stay at home with our kids instead of using our education in a professional environment we are waving our middle fingers at the work feminists have been doing over the last century. But I don't agree with it.

So I went and read some of her work online, and she's always careful to point out that by claiming that we're making a choice to stay at home we are only copping out, that somehow the choice to stay at home is invalid. Wow! As a mother I've never heard that before! My choices are wrong! She should write a book about how she knows which choice is the best one. Oh wait! SHE HAS!

My reaction then, I guess, is that here is my middle finger and here is me waving it at Linda Hirshman. This IS my choice. It is mine. I want to be at home with my child, not because my husband said I had to want it, or because my mom said that I had to want it, or because I am blinded by society's bias toward women and their role in the family. I had the option of going to work outside the home or staying at home with my kid and I made a choice. I don't think I've ever done anything more fundamentally feminist than exercising that choice.

The real crime here is not that educated women are choosing to stay at home with their children, it's that many women who want to stay at home aren't able to because of their circumstances. I know how lucky I am to have options. And it is in those options that I as a woman have power, power to choose the direction of my life, power to wave my middle finger at anyone who thinks it is their right, their moral compulsion, or their obligation to a seemingly fascist ideal to tell me how to live my life.

What I want to know in comments is what did your mother do? Did your mother stay at home? Did she work? And how did you feel about what she did? If you could change anything about what she did what would that be?

Also, what do you hope your daughters grow up to do?

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  • 2. Adrienne said:

    Now that that's out of the way, my mom was a SAHM, except for when my dad was unemployed for a short while, then she had a part time job. I always thought it was great that she was there when I got home from school - my mom's work never got in the way of me getting to go somewhere or do something with friends, and I'm sure that her being home was a major reason for my doing so well in school. Of course, I also hated her always "nagging me" by asking me so many questions (as intrusive as "how was your day?" in my teenage years). I do wish she would have gotten a job when I got older. Not so she'd leave me alone, but because she had (and still has) self-esteem issues now that stem from not having worked in 20+ years.

    At age 22 and an only child, I feel forced to seek a career rather than staying home. Like I'd be letting down the family if they knew my major dream was really to be a mom, not a corporate superstar. I hope my daughters, if I have some, don't feel the pressure I do to hold up a status quo - I hope they do what is best for them individually, even if I don't like it so much.

  • 4. Charles Hawtrey said:

    Wow, comments! Go figure.

    My mother works as a daycare provider, so staying at home *was* working. Someday when I have daughters, I hope they grow up to do whatever they want. Hopefully not something soul-sucking.

  • 5. Tracey said:

    My mom worked. She had to...but she wasn't really the stay at home type (whatever THAT is, right?) She worked in a factory, and I knew that I never wanted that for MY life. But I think she enjoyed it, so who am I to say what I wish she would have done? I can't really speculate on how it would have been had she stayed home, because it just wasn't her.

    I stay home with my kids too. And I totally agree with you that the whole feminist movement was to give women CHOICES, and this is a perfectly valid choice. I don't think it's the universal best choice, but it's what works for me and my family right now. I am going to school part time so that when my kids are in school I am doing something. But again, that's my choice and I don't think that every woman better get back to work when her kids are in school.

    I hope my daughter grows up to do whatever the hell she wants, as long as it makes her happy. And it doesn't involve selling her body.

  • 6. Dilbert said:

    My mom was a stay at home mom and although I didn't realize it then, it was great. My wife is extremely well educated (can you say 16 years!) and since we had our kids she has changed professions and now works part time so that she can be at home with our kids. This was her decision, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for it. She definitely has the harder job.

  • 7. Judy said:

    I'm close to first. My mom was a teacher for 2 years until my older sister was born, then she stayed home with us. She started substitute teaching when I was in junior high, but even then she was home with my sister and I 90% of the time. I'm glad she was home with us, but then I don't know any different. All I know is my friends whose moms worked, they said they wished their moms stayed home like mine did.

    I don't have daughters yet, but if I ever do, I hope they grow up to do whatever they want. I would hope that they get a good education, but whether they choose career or staying home with my grandchildren, I hope that they are able to make the choice that makes them happy.

  • 8. meninaprons said:

    My mom was a stay at home mom, due to her Lupus and arthritis when I was in grade school. Being a kid, you don't understand that stuff, but looking back, I realize how comforting it was to have her ... or someone at home when I came home from school.

    I hope that my daughter (if I ever get one) will do what she feels is right. Sorry to be non-committal on that, but it's how I feel.

  • 9. mom on a wire said:

    You know, I just hope my daughters grow up to love and appreciate who they are. It sounds completely sappy, but I've spent so much of my life wishing I was someone else and I don't want them to go through that. They could work at McDonalds, but if they were happy and fulfilled I would call that a success. :)

  • 10. Kate said:

    Happy Fifth Anniversary of the blog. I discovered you through my sister and I am glad I did.

    In answer to your question...my mom took six years off to raise my sister and I. When she went back to work, it was part time, then full time. It also helped that she was a teacher - in the same Catholic school we were attending. It was not until I was 11 years old (I am 27 now) that I was a real latchkey kid.

    I liked having Mom home for those early years. And as I got older, it was great during the summer cause we had mom home all the time. :)

  • 11. Lola said:

    I first decided that I wanted to be a SAHM when I realized that raising my children and "raising them well" would be my legacy.

    I realized this after meeting my friend Erica's mother. Erica was smart, funny and incredibly gifted. Her mother was brilliant and on her way to becoming an incredible Doctor and Scientist when she decided to stay home with her three daughters. All of them are amazing women.

    I respected her choice because I witnessed her amazing legacy and in that moment -- I knew that this was the legacy I wanted to leave.

    I wasn't going to be a great lawyer. I knew I didn't have it in me. I do know that I have potential to be an incredible mother and I can't wait to have that opportunity.

  • 12. hopefulloser said:

    My parents are both educators and it afforded them to work and have a lot of time to be at home with us, so it was really a good combination. I felt like I had more time with my parents than most of my friends. We traveled a lot and did so much together as a family and I hope to provide the same for my daughter (who's only a day older than Leta! Hi Leta!).

    I work a lot now but wish that I could be home with my daughter, but at least we can afford to have my husband home with her. He's a stay at home dad 100% of the time because I can make more money than him. :-)

    I want my daughter to be able to do whatever she wants. I agree with your sentiment completely that circumstances prevent us from being able to have that choice most of the time.

  • 13. sita said:

    My mother stayed home with my sister and I until we were in 1st grade. IF I get around to having children of my own (I'm 30 and working on my PhD so I can hopefully do the academic schedule which is relatively conducive to having kids, I think) I want to be around, especially for the early years - although I don't know how good I'd be at it.

    I couldn't agree more with your comments, Heather. I thought this whole feminism business was so that we could HAVE choices.

  • 14. Madonnalisa Chan said:

    What I want to know in comments is what did your mother do? My mother worked until the day I was born and then had 3 kids in a row. She didn't go back until the youngest was in Kindergarten. And she continued working as a school librarian for about 20 years. She just retired a couple years ago. It was awesome to have mom available to us. It was great over the summer to do things in and around town with all our cousins(since their parents worked). Sometimes I wished she opted for a law library with better pay and more prestige and something really cool to talk about. We had a very modest upbringing but I'm glad my parents made the sacrifices since we never were never home alone. My mom had some cool options and us three kids were the deciding factor.

    If I had daughters, I think I would encourage them to do what their heart tells them and that choices always have both good and bad consequences. When that time comes for them I hope I can help them step through the possible consequences and the impact of their emotions and the family's well-being.

    Thanks for sharing how you feel about the topic. My husband and I have been also debating this topic since we both had different upbringings.

  • 15. Carolina Blue said:

    My mom worked two jobs, one of which was an in-home day care until my sister (the youngest of three) was born, at which point she made the day care full time. She wanted to stay at home with us, and she's still glad she made the decision. At the same time I think it gave her too little financial freedom, and it was one reason she didn't leave my horrid father until I was 16. But my mom was my best friend and I thought she was the most beautiful, amazing person in the world until other things came between us. When I got home from school, she was the first person I wanted to see.

    I hope I have the opportunity to stay home with my kids. I'd like, more than that, to have the opportunity to volunteer in the community, doing the things I want to do as a career (junior in college here) for free, etc.

    I think if there was anything I could change about the way I was raised it would be to give my mom the emotional, financial and mental freedom to get away from my dad earlier, when I wasn't old enough to resent her for the problems that came from it. I would make my mom stronger.

    But we're best friends today, and I wouldn't go back for any amount of money if it would change that fact.

    Leta is lucky. The most important thing is that you and Jon love each other and that you love HER. Everything else will come out in the wash. Regardless of what the militants say (and I AM a militant feminist) that is the most important thing. That is what will make you a role-model for Leta. You go.

  • 16. victoria said:

    My mom stayed at home & took care of us. I think that not having any socially recognized work outside the home ate away her self-esteem, made her prone to depression, left her isolated and relatively friendless, and, honestly, weakened her faith in herself to such an extent that really wasn't as capable as she should have been, even in terms of being a mother and a housekeeper. Our house was a mess (it was so bad that we couldn't have friends over), her moods were unpredictable and sometimes scary, there was never a sit-down meal of any kind, ever (and when I say "never" a sit-down meal, I'm including holidays), I went to school hungry and in dirty clothes (and my family was affluent), all because my mother had so little faith in herself she couldn't get organized to do simple domestic tasks.

    I don't think that every mother should work outside the home. But for some mothers, the isolation and lack of social recognition that sometimes happens when they stay at home to raise kids can be soul-killing.

  • 17. LauraSt said:

    My mother worked her butt off at several different jobs (including odd ones that required work at home). I think I appreciated it at the time. I certainly realized how hard she worked, especially since most of the other tasks (cooking, cleaning, etc.) fell to me.

    Once she found out that I was making more than her per hour at a summer job than she was at her full-time job.

    And now I'm about to be graduated from medical school (I'm about to become one of those non-human women surgeons ;)) and I owe it to my mother's shining work ethic. Sure, she never did any "normal" mother stuff, but she kept us clothed, fed and happy.

    In my life, I'll have to schedule a family. My career choice will never let me be a stay at home mom, much less a very involved one (at least five years of 80+ hour work weeks ahead of me). Which is why having a family will be a hard choice for me. But I certainly will *never* disdain or look down upon those who choose to stay at home with their children. You have my pride and my jealousy.

    And my daughters will do whatever makes them happy. Unless of course that involves hitting the crack pipe and attempting to be the first person to reach the South Pole in the nude...

  • 18. Starla Dear said:

    Heather,

    Love your site. Congratulations on your choice of being a SAHM. All the controversy around this subject frustrates me -- women should just support each other in their life choices and not write books giving some women grief over the choice they made. I am a CPA and have a great career, but can't wait to give it all up to be a SAHM in a year or two.

    My mom was a SAHM as well -- I felt that we were especially close as a family and had many other benefits because of it. My mom is one of my best friends. I think the only regret she had was that she didn't have a college degree or a career that she could go back to, at least part-time, once we were in school. She feels bad sometimes now that we're grown that she can't contribute the same way financially that my dad can.

  • 19. mousey said:

    My mom wanted desperately to be a stay at home mom, but things didn't work out for her to be able to do that, so she's always had to work as long as I've been alive. For the most part, I really wish she could have stayed home, because it's what she wanted for herself. There's nothing to teach you independence and self-reliance like having a single mother, but I've hated seeing her have to work such hard, labor-intensive jobs, and she would have been a kick-ass SAHM (just like she is, but maybe with a little less stress and fatique.) If I could change anything, I would hope that the circumstances would have worked out so that she could do what she wanted to do, not what she had to do.

    I would hope my daughters would grow up to do whatever made them happy and fulfilled, whether it's SAHM or leader of the free world.

  • 21. Ang said:

    My mother stayed home about a year after I was born, because my brother was only 11 months old when I arrived, so she had two non-walking kids in diapers. But after a year, she said she was just going batty. She needed a separate place to go everyday with a different structure or whatnot, I don't know. She's always worked as far as I could remember, and I don't recall ever resenting it or wishing she were around more. She was home after I got home from school. My family couldn't afford not to have both adults working.

    I hope not to have kids, but I hope other people are able to do what they can and what is right for them. Ideally, we all would like the opportunity to truly be able to choose how we want to live, but the reality doesn't always allow that.

    I really have no idea what I would do if I ended up spawning.

  • 20. dotti said:

    My mom was a SAHM in a way.. she owned and ran 2 adult foster care homes for the mentally ill and an elderly care facility.. We lived in the basement of one of the AFC homes and had 6 residents that lived upstairs.. My mom basically ran the homes from home.. except when she wanted to leave or we went on vacation, then we had workers. I am really glad this was how my life was.. i am an only child and got tons of attention along with many great memories of my mom always being around. I wouldnt change it if i could. I hope to some day be able to stay at home with my children and hopefully if my kids want that when they have children of their own... they are able to make it happen.

  • 22. greenshagfloor said:

    Hey Heather.... First off, welcome home. Looks like you guys had a blast.

    My mom stayed home and raised five kids. When she eventually chose to go to work, the sneaky old bird got a job at the school we all attended so she could stay close to us (read: watch our every move and make sure we didn't commit any felonies). It was her choice and hers alone. It was of course, a different era and my dad made enough money to comfortably support us but she has insisted over and over that she would have made the same decision even if we were dirt poor. As a stay-at-home dad, I can tell you I feel the same way. My wife simply made more and had better health benefits than me so the choice was simple. With 3 years in the rear view, I wouldn't change a thing. We have made numerous sacrifices which I am sure you can relate to. We could have a lot more material things right now but watching my son grow on a daily basis is fair trade. I do, on occasion, burn a bra or two but it is wholly unrelated.

  • 23. erika said:

    My mom stayed at home with us. I really, really wish I could stay home with my 4-month old daughter but we just can't afford it at the moment. Luckily, my husband is between semesters at school and he can stay home with her. It's much better than day care and I dread the day we have to send her to one. And unless I win the lottery, that day will come sooner than my heart will take.

  • 24. Jackie said:

    My mother was a stay at home mom mostly. That is to say, whenever my father's company went on strike, she was right out there, supporting all 5 of us - doing what had to be done. As soon as that strike was over, she was right back at home with us kids. Not because she had to, wasn't educated enough, or was lazy - but because she couldn't imagine a better use of her time than being there for us every waking moment. She was an inspiration to me, and now that I have my own child, I have done everything in my power to build a business that allows me to stay home.

    Why should I miss a single moment in my daughter's life if I don't have to? They are only children once. No, I'm not lazy or under-educated either. I am a college graduate, and a single mother. I own my own business and it isn't making me millions, but it's enough.

    It made me happy as a child to come home everyday knowing my mom was there with cookies waiting to ask me how my day went. There were times as a teen that I didn't take certain risks or get into trouble with my friends because I knew my mom always greeted me at the door and talked to me about how my friends were doing. It kept me on the straight and narrow.

    For my daughter, when she gets to be my age, I only want her to be one thing - happy. And if happy means she is going to stay at home with 5 kids while her husband works 100 hours a week, then so be it.

    Good for you Heather for doing what you are. You and Jon are doing what is best for YOUR family - don't try to let anyone tell you any different.

  • 25. Michelle said:

    My mother worked. My parents were also divorced when I was 5. I never gave it much thought until I lived with my grandparents for a few years after the divorce. My grandmother was always home, and took me to junior theater and ballet and swimming and a wide variety of other things. Things kids in day care after school didn't ever get to do. If I could choose now I would want my mom home when I got home from school. _If_ I have kids I want to be in a job that has a flexible enough schedule to allow me to at least be there when they come home. Prior to the divorce I went to day care or preschool. I liked school and I liked day care. it was pretty much all I had known. If I had to put my kids in preschool or day care I would, but hopefully only for half a day.

  • 26. Jen S said:

    I have a master's degree in English and I'm a stay-at-home mom and freelance graphic designer. After the birth of my first child, I remained working, though I was able to go to part time. Last year I had my daughter and I made the decision to stay home with my kids after having her.

    I've thought a lot about this very topic. Do I feel it's a waste of a good education to stay at home with my kids? Abso-fucking-lutely not. Do I feel like I have SO much to share with my kids, to educate them and let them have the influence of a mother who is not only intelligent but creative and fun and willing to spend time with them (rather than shuttle them off to be cared for by someone else)? Yes, of course.

    My own mother worked pretty much my entire life; my brother and I were latch-key kids, and I hated it and always wished I'd had more time with my mom. I think it would have perhaps made me closer to her than I am today. (Not necessarily, but I like to think it might have helped.)

    Happy 5th anniversary, Heather. You have inspired me more than you will ever know. Congratulations on finding your dream job.

  • 27. Ariel said:

    My mother worked her ass off as a licenced midwife for most of my childhood. My father loves to tell the story of finding me one morning on the phone at age 7, and asking me what I was doing. "I'm arranging my childcare," I answered. That was how it worked when mom had to rush off to deliver someone's baby at 6am on a school day.

    Granted, I hated it the whole time. Other people's mom's made them cookies! I was a lonely latchkey kid.

    Now, however, I appreciate it immeasurably. I'm endlessly inspired by all that my mother managed to do while raising me (nursing school! midwifery school! starting a business! founding a national organization!), and I have to go back every once and a while and pat the younger me on the head and say "buck up, kid: she loves you and this is part of how she's showing it ... by being an inspiration to you, even if you don't know it now."

    As we hurdle towards having a kid of our own, I wrestle with the issues. I think I'd go crazy staying at home (my periods of freelancing from home have been ... unhealthy for me), but I don't like the alternatives. I have no answers. But I'm happy to see comments back!

  • 28. ash said:

    My mom went to work and I don't think it bothered her. She was always able to get off when anything big was happening with either my brother or I. I don't think she would do it differently either. I mean if she could have stayed home I know she would have because she has never really liked her job. But she was always lucky enough to get off when it was needed. I also wouldn't have it anyother way. I love my mother, but I know now that she had to go to work and she loved me and that is why she went to work.

    I home my daughter does whatever she thinks is best. As long as she loves her children the way my mom does me, I know things will be ok.

  • 29. Karen said:

    My mom did a little of both during my growing up years depending on our ages and our family's financial situation. While I'm sure that she probably hoped that her daughters would stay home with their children she has always encouraged us to do what is best for ourselves and families.

    I have a degree in social work and practiced for three years before having my first child. Staying at home was a welcome relief from the job stress and I've had no desire to go back. I feel like I've enjoyed the best of both worlds in the timing that was right for me.

    Holy freaking wow! I'm commenting on Dooce! Hi mom!

  • 30. kimmie said:

    Hi Heather! My mom worked outside the home the entire time I was growing up. She either worked for other companies or for my dad's company. Then they divorced and she has worked as an AR accountant pretty much ever since.

    Praise God my mom did not do the stay-at-home thing with me. I'm 39 and I guess it was on the new side to have a mom that worked completely fulltime. But I'd be much more neurotic if she'd been in my life more. If I hadn't had an escape from her. She might actually have succeeded in killing herself from the stress of being a mom more than she was.

    I have made the choice, like you, to work at home to be a pseudo SAHM. I have an office that I can go to - I own my own company with a partner. He works in the office and I work at home. I have an MS in engineering. The difference between us is that I send my children away during the day. My son is in kindergarten and my daughter just turned 3. She goes to mothers day out at two different churches and a friend also keeps her two afternoons a week. If I had to be with my children more I'd lose it. I'm just not good at it.

    But working at home gives me freedom to choose when I do have the emotional energy to be around them and not ruin them. I'm glad I have this option. I would not have had children had I thought I'd have to work 8-5 and have my kids in care from 7-6. I need the choice of when to be with them. BOY am I SPOILED!

    Thank goodness for my degrees, for my employment, for my partner, for my husband, for my antidepressants, and for my children. and for dooce.

  • 31. pilgrimgirl said:

    My Mom stayed home and raised her 5(!) kids until we were all in school. Then she went back to school and got her master's degree and eventually went to work full-time.

    I'm following in her footsteps. I stayed at home with my kids until my youngest started kindergarten and now I'm working on my PhD. I go to class while they're at school and when they get home we do sit around doing our homework together. I think I have the coolest life ever!

    I hope that my daughter will have the option to stay home with her children if she chooses to. But I also hope that she'll have the freedom (both social and financial) to make any choice that she'd like to. I don't want her to feel that being a SAHM is a cop-out!

    IMO, being a fulltime Mom is often just a temporary thing--just those years until the kids are in school. It isn't an all-or-nothing decision.

  • 32. Alison said:

    HI Heather -- My mom was a SAHM until my dad divorced her -- not her idea -- and then she went back to work as a school nurse. So, you can imagine, it was hard to figure out how to skip school when she had access to the absentee list... After I got over the stigma of their divorce (if only it had been, say, three or four years later, when EVERYONE's parents were getting divorced...) I actually liked her working. My sisters and I became very self-sufficient, and I think that has served me well in later years.

    So, naturally, when it came time to figure out how to raise our kids, we did the only thing that made sense -- my husband stayed home full time. SAHD, or shit ass 'ho dick, to paraphrase your own site! It worked well for us, and my two kids -- now teens in high school -- say that they really liked having their dad at home. They have really close relationships with him, and with me, and with each other. It's pretty nice.

    What do I hope for my kids? That they are blessed with choices, and that they feel empowered to make them. And, when they make the wrong ones, that they have the strength and courage to do it over.

    That and, of course, that they worship me.

    BTW, I think you're doing a wonderful job as a mom. I know it's hard -- but you're definitely going to make it, sister.

  • 33. Laur said:

    My mother was working as a corporate secretary when I was born, in 1985. She chose to stay home with me, and she and my father certainly didn't have the luxury to. It was a personal choice, but there has never been a day that goes by that I am not grateful that there was someone waiting for me from the bus stop after school, who hugged me and wanted to know about my day.

    My mother went back to work when I was 11 and my brother was 9. She was the secretary at my middle school, and started on my first day of sixth grade.

    My father worked constantly throughout my childhood, traveling up to 30 weeks a year, and because of this, my relationship was strained until I was 16, when I finally pulled my head out of my ass after that obligatory teenage angst phase.

    I'm now attending a rather elite private women's college. I took a seminar in women's studies my freshman year, and we talked about the concept of working mothers vs. stay at home mothers. To my surprise, I was the only person in the fifteen person class who was not raised by a nanny. These girls justified their upbringing by reciting their mothers impressive resumes and professional accomplishments, and how that served as inspiration to them. My mom may not have a Ph.D. in microbiology, and she hasn't written a book, but she has inspired me every day for the past twenty years. She made a choice, a choice not everyone agrees with, but it worked for her, and I am eternally grateful and in awe of her. Heather, one day I know that Leta will say the same to you.

  • 34. Annejelynn said:

    my mother had very little choice in the matter - she was terminally ill before I was ever born and didn't have the stamina for fulltime anything. When I was a child, things weren't too bad, in that she was very young and had an army of good friends and relatives to help her with me (her only child) before I joined all-day elementary school ranks... Thereafter, while I was at school, she was either at home resting, recouping from the morning routine with me, and trying to reserve her energy for when I would return home from school... or she was in the hospital and I stayed with friends or family, overnight. My father worked like a maniac to enable what had to be done - he carried us financially until she died in '87. My mother could never do more than PT work and what she could, it was from home, always. But if she had been healthy? If she could have worked FT? She would have chosen to stay home - she loved being available for me and my playmates.

  • 35. Tina Vance said:

    My mother stayed home until I was in elementary school, then she became the school nurse at my elementary school. At times it was like being under 24-hour surveillance, which is what I thought about it at that time. To be honest, I wish my mother would have started working earlier. I think there are some moms who want and need to stay home, because they truly enjoy it, and there are some who need to work. I'm one of the ones who needs to work, not only for the money, but also for my own sanity.

    As far as my daughter goes, I'd just want her to find her job satisfying and rewarding. If that's as a bottle cap twister or if it's as a neurosurgeon, it doesn't really matter, so long as she's happy.

  • 36. DottyDi said:

    My mom worked because she had to. I wish she had been able to stay home with me. She wishes she could have stayed home with me. I don't have kids yet, but I'm currently trying to work out a way to be home with them because I want to. I'm working on my master's degree right now. So, I suppose going along with Hirshman's line of thought, I'd just be wasting it? I think not.

  • 37. jules said:

    My mom worked full time. All the time. My older brother and I were traditional latch key kids. We work our keys on a beautiful satin ribbon under our school uniforms. Mom worked at a fabric store, so we got the good ribbon! My best friend's mom, when i was younger, dind't work, and I think I was always jealous of that a little bit. Lori had great lunches, and her mom was a lunch monitor mom and would chaperone on field trips. My lunches were a salami sandwich under a an orange, topped with a frozen drink box that was carried in the long plastic bag the bread came in. There was no one to break up the fighting between my brother and I after school until dad got home at 4pm, and if you were sick, you were home alone. Tho we weren't really ever sick.

    Looking back now, I wish my mom didn't have to work. Sorta for me and my brother, but mostly for her. I know she would have rather been at home with us and done school functions and picked us up from school, but we needed the money, and she had to work.

    good grief, who knew answering this would be so emotional!

    I think i would be a great mom! I woudl stay at home if I could. I like to work, but If I had the choice. I'd make lunches for my kids, and chaperone field trips and make cookies for the bake sale. I'd take my kids to the park after school, or to the zoo, I wouldn't be too tired to do their homework with them, or irritated from work and unintentionally take it out on them. I WOULD DRIVE A VAN AND BE A SOCCER MOM! (:3
    *smock*

  • 38. Karin said:

    My mom was a SAHM. I don't think I really thought about whether I liked it or didn't like it when I was a child because that was all I really knew. Most of the adult women I was close to as a child stayed at home with their kids so that was the norm to me. Looking back on it now, I am very grateful that my mom was always there when I needed her - only a phone call away. I hope that my daughter feels the same way.

    What I want for my daughter is to do whatever it is that she wants most to do - to live her dream. And beyond that, to live in a world where people don't question a person's choices based solely on their gender.

    Happy blogiversary Heather. :)

  • 40. Angela said:

    I think no one can tell us what is right for us or our children. Being a stay at home mom has been the best thing I have ever or will ever do. That being said, I have seen some women stay at home that maybe shouldn't have. Doing it so they could watch TV and eat cupcakes, never actually loving or teaching their children. Some kids would actually be better off in daycare and I think the trick is knowing ourselves enough to know if we are made for this brand of work. Not everyone is the same and it doesn't make anyone better or worse. Just think people should better self evaluate before choosing the direction of their and their childrens lives. If you F**k up parenting then you srewed a person up...more people should look at it more carefully.

  • 39. moose said:

    My mom is a smart, well-educated woman who made the choice to stay home with us even though she enjoyed her career as a teacher. She and my father made sacrifices in income so that she could do this and, to the best of my knowledge, neither of them regret it. My brother and I were lucky to come home to a parent after school, less lucky in that she spent a fair amount of that time concocting strange whole grain casseroles for dinner. I believe both my parents did an excellent job (aside from the sugar ban that had me filching twinkies from the unsuspecting). All my mistakes are my own.

    My take on the subject as a whole is that a woman should be able to choose whatever will keep her happy and fulfilled, if she is lucky enough to have that choice. Choosing to go back to work doesn't mean you love your children any less, nor does staying at home mean you're telling Betty Friedan to suck it. I'm not a parent yet, but I imagine that if you are happy and fulfilled - doing whatever it is you need to achieve such a state - you will be creating a better home life for your children.

    I personally hope to be able to stay home with my children (while doing creative projects on the side), and hope to encourage them to do whatever it is they damn well please, with a slight emphasis on world domination.

    Congratulations on your fifth year of public stupidity!

  • 42. Womanwithkids said:

    My mother was a SASM, but more because she didn't want to work versus wanting to stay home with us. I remember thinking that I wanted to be a better example to my children, on working hard and providing versus sitting at home.

    PS, Congratulations on five years and a great blog!

  • 43. Evilsciencechick said:

    My mom stayed at home during our "formative years," and then basically worked full time as a volunteer Super PTA mom, pushing at the state level for legislation to help education.

    It didn't seem odd to me that she didn't have a paying job outside the home - I think it was a choice she made.

    I'm working on my PhD, and I can forsee in the very near future that a conflict will arise. Will I stay at home when I have kids? Would that mean "wasting" my PhD? There are plenty of women in my department who are establised professors and researchers, who have had kids and still made a career for themselves...but I have a hard time imagining myself in that role. I'm not sure I have the proper mentality to be a "have it all" woman. I envy those that do, but I'm not entirely sure I could do it.

    Honestly, I have no idea what I'll do. But whatever I chose to do, it will be MY decision. and I will NOT be pressured into making a decision that is wrong for me by ANYONE. and that's the best I can hope for any daughters I may have.

  • 44. redbutton said:

    My Mom and Dad worked opposite shifts at a state hospital so one could always be home with my brother and I. I am sure she would've rather been home full time, but we needed 2 incomes to survive. Had she had OPTIONS..........

  • 45. LeslieDotCom said:

    My mom returned to work immediately after my birth, but became a SAHM after my brother's birth 4 years later-- and then returned to work when he started school. I know, bitter much? Probably...

    I am currently the single mom of 2 teenagers (15 and 13-in-3-weeks) and regret every day that I was not able to stay at home with them when they were younger. Unfortunately, due to the crappy choices I made in husbands, I had to work to support my family-- and I hate that my girls have paid the price.

    Are they happy and well-adjusted? Yup, thank dog. Could they have been happier and better-adjusted as smaller folks? Absolutely.

    Happy #5, Heather. Cherish every moment you have with Leta, Jon, and Chuck. Do it for all of us who live vicariously through dooce.com

    Love and Peace.

  • 46. amy said:

    My mother divorced my sperm donor of a father when I was only six months old. She then worked full time, with my brother and I practically living at my grandparent's house. I really wish she could've been there more often, as I never really got to know her until my late teenage years.

    I really do hope that I have the means to stay home with my children. There is nothing that I want more.

    And I simply would like my daughters to have the freedom to choose. To choose an outstanding career, a mediocre career, or to stay at home and raise their children. Our country is supposedly about freedom, I hope they are more able to act upon that freedom without being thought of as a cop-out!

    Oh, and congrats on the five year mark!

  • 47. Beth said:

    My mom stayed at home before I started school, and although I don't have many specific memories of the time we spent together, I do remember it always being special. My older brother was already in school, so it really was just mom and me. The bond that was formed is more important than the specific memories anyways. With my little sister she only stayed home a year. While my sister missed out on that special mother daughter bonding time, she also got more of an opportunity to play with children her own age. My sister is still in high school (big age difference) so I think the jury is still out on how this has affected her.

    I am an educated woman, and when I have children, I would love to stay home. I do not know if this would be possible because I make more money than my future husband, and since I have more education than him, this may always be the case. I know for sure that I will at least take a year long leave of absence from work. I will have a hard time putting my children in the hands of others. I want to raise my kids, not a babysitter. Only time will tell.

  • 48. CallistaWolf said:

    My mom stayed at home. I never really thought much about it at the time. She never spent much time with me though. I can remember asking her to play games with me and such but she was always busy cleaning the house or fixing dinner.

    I stay home too, and like you, it's by CHOICE. No one told me to do this. In fact, I've felt more pressure to go out and get a job! But I've found a way that I can bring in some money and stay home with my son and that makes me pleased as PUNCH.

    If I'm ever fortunate enough to have a daughter, I'd want her to do whatever her heart leads her to do. If she wants to have a career, go for it. If she wants to have a family and stay home? Good for her. If she has a family but has to work in order to help support the family, I'll support that for her as well. Because it's not my choice, it's hers. :)

  • 49. Robin said:

    My mom stayed home with me until I was in second grade or so. Then she went to work cleaning motel rooms, because we needed the money. I think she was also ready to get out of the house at that point.

    When I was in fifth grade, she tooke a part-time job at a craft shop owned by one of her friends. A year later, the friend talked her into taking painting classes. My mom had done some art when she was in high school, but never had much confidence in it, or the time to pursue it. Once she got into the classes, she ran with it. Within a few years, she was able to make her art her full-time job.

    As a kid, I couldn't appreciate her decisions, or why she made them. It was just the way things were. In retrospect, I see how important each of these stages was. She was able to work outside the home when she needed to, be it for the money or fulfillment, and able to stay home when she needed. I'm grateful that I've had the same flexibility as a mostly-stay-at-home mom.

  • 50. Sara Rasco said:

    Forget Miss Harvard. You have two jobs, and nobody should knock that. Whose right is it to define what your job is? Being a mom is a hell of a lot of work. Writing is a lot of work too, but most people don't understand that and think you sit at home all day, then sit down and write without the need for revision.

    My mom is an artist (calligrapher) whose work is mostly wedding-related. She does art in her spare time. She's worked at home since I was born when she quit being a special-ed teacher. People still don't understand that she works just like everyone else, so being at home doesn't make her any more free to blow everything off and go have fun. I wouldn't trade my growing up for anything. I'm an only child, and we had so much fun together. I was always around art and artists, musicians, and creative people. I'm an only child, and it was a great life.

    Children need major attention from their parents, and if it's possible for one of them to stay home, isn't it the best option? Who better to give the attention and nurture that a child needs than the people that love him best? What you do is important and irreplacable in Leta's life. Writing is a gift; nobody would make the work of a journalist, columnist, or novelist seem like it's not a "real" job.

  • 51. Kristen in Colorado said:

    Hi Heather -

    Congrats on five years and on being able to stay home with Leta. In the 50s women were proving to the world that they were capable of being in the workplace, and since the 70s, it's been like, "Ok, I've shown my worth, but now I'm going to follow my natural maternal instincts, and that's to raise my child myself." You're absolutely right - it's the highest form of fundamental feminism - making your OWN choice and not one placed on you by society.

    How great for you that you can stay home AND work (therefore keeping your skills fresh). I tried this for the first two years of my son's life, and realized I was still robbing him... that was because I worked for someone else and not for myself. So, long, leisurely morning walks weren't an option for me if they went outside of the range of my cordless phone.

    I left my job entirely two years ago, and haven't looked back. I still spend a lot of "freetime" volunteering for various organizations to keep my skills fresh and to network, and I don't think I'll have any problems reentering the workforce when I'm ready.

    I agree that it's a crime when someone wants to stay home with their kids, and can't. However, I really think that, generally speaking, this is only true for single moms. I believe that any family willing to make serious sacrifices can have a stay-at-home.

    In the 50s when all moms stayed home, it was financially feasible because people lived in smaller houses, didn't have cell phones, only had one car, if any, etc. People of today say "we HAVE to have two incomes", but two incomes are only necessary to pay for their current standard of living. My husband and I made some huge cuts to our standard of living to allow for me to stay home. (We don't travel twice a year anymore, I've become Queen of eBay, I don't have a cell phone, or *GASP* satellite TV!.... of course I do get someone to tape "Lost" for me every week.) It was just a matter of priority. There will be a time when TV, cell phones, travel, and a bigger house might take priority again, and that's when my kids will all be in school, and I'll feel more comfortable (and probably be well-ready) to return to work.
    * * *
    My mom stayed home with me when I was young - maybe until I was 9. She wasn't educated, so getting back into the workplace was and has been hard for her. I don't think she has any regrets, though.

    As for what I hope my daughters would do... well... I have two and a half sons with a big fat chance of having any daughters. BUT, that aside, I would hope my daughters would follow their instincts. If their instincts told them to stay home, I'd hope they'd find a way to make that work. If their instincts told them to work, I think they would be better off there, and I would encourage it. I would encourage my sons with the same advice.

  • 52. Ibeejd said:

    LOVE THE BLOG!!

    Ok my mom was home with us until I was in 7th grade then she went back to work. It was awful. I hated coming home to an empty house and I resented having to watch my brother. I learned to cook and clean early on in life so that wasnt even an issue. I just felt sorta cheated since all of my friends were allowed out to play or to have friends over. It made me become an adult waaaay too early. She HAD to go back to work (a divorce can make that happen) so I just "got over it". If I could change it I would have given anything to have her home when I got home...asking me how my day was...comforting me when my friends were cruel.

    What I want for all the young girls in the world is the ability to choose what they want. I would hope they could work if they wanted or stay home if they wanted. Its a shame that more women are not able to choose because thier bank accout wont let them.

  • 53. Annejelynn said:

    P.S. Happy Anniversary!

  • 54. kingalz said:

    Happy anniversary on your site! My mom has always worked, out of necessity. I didn't think one thing or another about it at the time. But, as I grew older and began developing my own career, we talked more about her career, and it became clear she hated her career and felt boxed in. I think she grew up in a time when you just bit the bullet and did what you thought you had to do and didn't rock the boat or try to better your own situation. She definitely puts up with more than I would. She wishes she were more assertive, and I wish that for her, too. I like what you said about having options. My options at the moment are few, but I can see them expanding, and that's what I'm working towards. For my daughters, should I have them, I want them to do what they want to do, and not what anyone else tells them to. In many ways my mom passed her don't rock the boat legacy on to me. It has taken me quite a few years to undo it and rock my own boats. I hope my daughters are boat rockers, too.

  • 55. Wendi Simmons said:

    My mom stayed home with me and my younger siblings. When we entered highschool she worked part time as a dental assistant, getting home from work at the same time we got home from school. I appreciated her staying home. We could have had nicer things had she worked along with my dad, and at the time I may have wished that I had more, but looking back I'm proud and glad she did what she did. I stay at home with my four. It is rewarding and difficult. I would like for my girls to be well-educated and ambitious, but I want them to know the joy of each moment with their children.

  • 56. Amy said:

    My mother was a teacher - she took a leave when she had me, and then was a SAHM until I was 9 and my younger brother was 6, at which point she went back to teaching, because our family needed both incomes. She retired 5 years ago, at age 55, exactly when my twins were born - a happy coincidence.

    When I became a mom, I stayed home for a year, then worked 3-4 days a week the year after that, then went back full time when they were 2. Sometimes I wish I could be home with them, and sometimes I think that I would have NO social life whatsoever if I didn't have to go into the city 5 days a week to work. I may have an opportunity to quit and run our "side business" from home full time, and if I can, I'd like to do that. I try not to dwell on the fact that otherwise I simply can't afford to be a SAHM. Makes me think that the feminist movement missed some of the finer points. You said it well, Heather.

    For my 5 year old daughter, I just hope that her life can support whatever choice she wants to make. I understand wanting to stay home, and I understand wanting to work. Whichever she chooses, I will do my best to help her as much as my mother helped me. And as for what anyone else thinks, I honestly don't give a shit.

    Happy 5th Anniversary.

  • 57. Dogmom said:

    My mom always worked because my dad was a compulsive gambler and there were four kids to support. So while dad worked two and three jobs at a time, very little of the money ever made it through the front door. So my mother not only worked at a job paying half of what my father made to support her kids, she partially, right or wrong, enabled my father to continue in his addiction. And I always wished someone had been home to hear how my day went.

  • 58. Martha said:

    I'm the oldest of five, and my mother is working on her 27th year of stay-at-home parenting. She does contribute to the family income on the weekends, as she and my father are two parts of a 3-piece Irish band. No, really. But working one night a week afforded her the chance to raise the five of us at home.

    I'm doing the stay-at-home thing with my four-and-a-half-month-old daughter. And part of what I hope for her is that her life will let her make her own choices, and that those choices will make her happy.

  • 59. nonlinear girl said:

    The Linda Hirshman piece in the New Prospect drove me nuts, not because she focuses on elite women, but because she doesn't ever acknowledge that her analysis and "advice" are only relevant to elite women. I'm lucky enough to have the choice to work part time, and I don't think it undermines feminism. (at least not as long as my man comes home from work to cook me dinner every night.)

    I hate that I'm supposed to choose between her and a "focus on the family" vision of life for women. No thanks.

  • 60. Kayhan said:

    Congratulations on your five years of stupidity, Heather.

    My mother stayed at home with my younger brother and me until I was in fourth grade. Then she went back to school to get her Master's and then her Doctor's in Education. She went on to be a fourth-grade teacher and then a principal. Now she's semi-retired. She was lucky in that she got to have the best of both worlds: she was able to stay home with my brother and me while we were young and needed that most. Then there was a transition period while she was in grad school. She was home sometimes and not others. When she was home, she was usually busy. This was a great way for my brother and me to grow up. She was there a lot of the time so we never went long periods without her, but we were able to grow independent. There were issues. (I can't count the number of times I burned the rice that I was supposed to make for dinner.) But we were able to grow so well.

    I think that it's a crock to say that educated women are making the wrong choice by staying at home. What could be better than having an educated mother (or father) at your disposal?

    -kg

    PS. Not that I'm complaining about mooching off your PageRank, but shouldn't you have a 'rel="nofollow"' in the links to the commenters?

  • 62. kate gee said:

    Woo.. adding to the flood of comments. First of all, happy 5 year bloggaversary! I've only been reading for a year or so but (like many people have said) you were one of the first blogs I ever got hooked on, which inspired me to blog, albeit occasionally.

    My mother never had many goals as far as education went. She struggled in school and then went on to becoming a "Beauty School Drop-Out" (Cue Grease.) When she got married, she worked random jobs just to bring in additional income, but then quit right after I was born. She has been a stay-at-home-mom ever since... even though I'm in college and my younger sister will be in high school next year. I am definitely not against SAHMoms and Dads but I think that my mom should try the work world again now that we're all grown up. (For one thing, it would help their financial situation, and she would also probably gain much needed self-confidence and assurity.)
    When I first started reading feminist lit, I was one of those naive, sixteen-year-olds who thought all women were sacrificing their life by being homemakers, but I have since adapted (thankfully) to agree with your sentiments. Feminism is about making your own personal choices, and I respect that for everyone.

    As for me, when I have kids I will probably take a couple years off or my now-fiance will, which ever works best. I just want to have as close of a relationship with my kid(s) as I can, and want to make their happiness my main goal.

  • 63. K. said:

    My Mom quit work as soon as she found out she was pregnant. That was in 1968. She stayed at home because it was expected of her. She would have preferred not to have kids I think.

    I want my daughter to go to college and travel the world while she is young. Beyond that, I hope she does what makes her happy. Whether that's a career or staying at home with her kids or maybe both, doesn't really matter. As long as she does it because she wants to and it makes her happy.

  • 64. Kim S said:

    My mom stayed at home until I was 12. And even though that was her choice to go back to work and better things followed that choice, I think I kind of resented not having her home anymore. Especially when she quit 6 years later and stayed home while my little brother finished high school.

    I don't have kids but I know that when I do, I want to be able to stay home with them. I don't see it as wrong, or unfeminist to do so. How come men don't have this unbearable limitation put on them? Career woman sacrficing her children or cave woman sacrificing her freedom....

  • 65. ShannonLD said:

    My mom worked part and full-time when I was young (single parent, only child), full-time when I was in school. I have to say, I can't remember wanting her home, but I do know I got into way too much trouble without her there. As I got older, I didn't want her there when I got home, otherwise my fun would be ruined. In hindsight, I can see that it would have been much better for me if she had been around, at least if she could have been there for me after school. It sucks really, she had no choice. I'm a SAHM now, by choice, until my boys are in school. It's the hardest job ever! and we have no extra money! but there's no comparison. These years fly by so fast, there's no way I'd trade them for a couple extra bucks. When they do go to school, I'll be teaching so I can keep the same hours as them and be home for them. If I ever have a daughter, she can stay home or work, but whatever she decides (and my boys too) I will teach her to be completely independent, resourceful and self-supportive, among other things.

  • 66. Mahal said:

    My mother was widowed when I was five years old. She was left with 90% of the mortgage paid off after the life insurance paid out, so she was forced to work. She managed to work part time between 9-3 whilst I was in school, but often when I was sick, I had to go to work with her - the finances didn't allow any other choice. At the time, I hated it - I wanted a mum who could stay home when I was sick.

    She explained her choices to me when I was old enough to understand - how she had no choice but to work, if we wanted a roof over our heads and food in our mouths.

    As an adult, I admire my mother. She took a difficult situation, did her damndest to keep her head above water, and succeeded. I'm proud of her for that. I may not have agreed with all her choices over the years, but I am proud of her for being a good mother. She was always, ALWAYS, there when I needed her, helped me when I wanted it, and taught me to be independent.

    If I ever become a parent, I can only hope to be as successful a mother as my own mother was. We've disagreed, sure, but she's also someone I'm proud to have as my mother.

  • 67. Jon Z. said:

    In my haste to have the first comment, I neglected to play along.

    "What did your mother do?"

    Got pregnant with me when she was 20, and subsequently got married much too young. Oh, you mean later on? She was a stay-at-home mom until I was a teen (sister four years younger, brother six years younger), then was a flight attendant, then got divorced, and later worked at a bank (where she was held at gunpoint during a heist--seriously). Now she works for the Boston Globe.

    "And how did you feel about what she did?"

    I was an angry young man, and, honestly, I was simply glad to have that much less parental supervision.

    "Also, what do you hope your daughters grow up to do?"

    Whatever she wants ... as long as it doesn't involve nudity and a pole.

  • 68. summer said:

    My mother was, initally, a stay-at-home mom. Later, she became a stay-at-home, work-at-home-as-a-babysitter mom. Years later, she went on to be a work-outside-the-home mom, a college-student mom, a stay-at-home mom (again), and a work-outside-the-home-using-her-recently-acquired-professional-degree mom. She raised six children.

    How I felt about that as a child is as complex and mutltifaceted an emotion as any during our mom-and-minor-child relationship. I'm not sure I can pin it down to one or two sentences, but let me try. As a young child of the late 70s and early 80s, I didn't think about it...at least, not that I recall. When I was a teenager and my mother returned to school, I do remember suffering from bouts of resentment when I had to do what I considered more than my fair share of Mom's Work (cooking, cleaning, etc.) (It should be noted here that my step-father didn't contribute much to the completion of these tasks, as he was typically exhausted from his own full-plus-overtime factory job.)

    Given the opportunity to change something about what she did, I'm not sure that I'd take the offerer up on it. I think--and I admit this is not precisely the answer to the question you asked--I would change the way she supported (and, honestly, failed to support) my sister and myself in our academic and career endeavors. It was with smacking hypocrisy that we were told our job was to be "a woman," to "be submissive," and to basically plant onself in a subservient role. She was willing to pay for our brothers' educations; she gave my sister and me lovely sets of dishes and told us our educations were not "affordable." I still sometimes wonder if she wasn't trying to reverse-psychologize us. (Yes, I know that's not a real word.)

    I don't have a daughter; I'm not sure what I would want any hypothetical daughter to do. I acknowledge the great wisdom of the universe in sending me a male child. (Yes, I know that's not how genetics work. Nevermind.) Still, I expend plenty of worry over my son, who (if he is, as I suspect, heterosexual) I hope will grow up to couple with a woman who is fully aware of all of her choices and exercises them as she sees fit. Futher and perhaps more importantly, I hope he's the sort of man who will be supportive of whatever lifestyle-path she prefers to tread. (assuming said path doesn't lead t'wards the land of Illegal, Flagrantly Immoral, and/or Embarassingly Crappy Crap)

  • 69. Nothing But Bonfires said:

    I grew up in the 80s and early 90s, and my mum stayed home with all four of us. We moved around a whole lot throughout my childhood -- England, France, Holland, Abu Dhabi, Singapore, Hong Kong, Connecticut -- and I think having that one constant in our lives was really important. My youngest brother and sister (twins) are just now 16, and my mother is finally thinking about going back to work.

    Maybe my situation is different because I was away at Evil English Boarding School (kind of like a big slumber party but with Latin lessons, way more lacrosse than is EVER NECCESSARY, and a lot of occasions for High Tea) from 11 to 18, so coming home in the holidays and having her there all day every day was pretty important. I didn't see her very much anyway, and HOME was this glorious, glorious place I didn't get to go to very often. Even now when I fly back to Singapore to see my family, I'm so glad I get my mother all to myself for these long stretches of days. I'm 26! I guess we all just want our mothers to be there for us whenever we need them.

    When I have children, I'd like to stay at home if I'm able to manage it. And if I have daughters, I hope they'll be able to choose whatever they want to do too. No-one should ever feel that they're having to APOLOGIZE for their choices. Maybe by the time I have grown-up little girls, no-one will have to.

  • 70. SillySunflower said:

    Hi Heather! I have been reading you for about a year now. Thanks for keepin me rollin and I LOVE the daily photo! Great job and congrats on all your famed success!

    My mother worked. My family lived from paycheck to paycheck and never seemed to get ahead. I guess I would say if I could change anything I would change the fact that my mom was never really there. I spent a lot of time alone and they worked A LOT. Both parents were in the car business and my mom was an office manager for many years. It just seemed like an awful struggle.

    In today's world it's a need to have both parents working. MOST people have to have double incomes just to pay the bills, let alone anything extra. I have been lucky enough to be able to be at home with my children from the day they were born. I value that time and think that my children have learned more about everything because I have/had the time to work with them. My 7 year old was counting to 10 before he was 2. ( no joke ) He was writing his name by 3, first and last! I worked with him every chance I got and he LOVES learning in school. My other 2 children are 2 and 1 and up until the last month I was home with them as well. I value that time and love how close I am with my children. Was it a struggle financially? Yes. Do I get hassled occassionally because I "didn't work"... yes. But it doesn't matter, because in the end my children love and respect me for everything I do for them.

    On the other hand, I wish the very best for people and respect people greatly who work and take care of children. I know for me, my day starts at 5-6am and doesn't stop until 11pm at night. Between school and work.... I am dead crazy. I think you "just know" what is right for you......

    Good luck with everything Heather.

    Angelena

  • 72. casiokey said:

    My mother was just finishing her 2nd masters degree & about to start her PhD when I was accidently concieved. With three older kids- 11, 13 & 15 she was finally feeling the wind under her wings -making my dad cook dinner while she did the night school thing and loved it.

    My dad said "no more school, raise the child" so she decided that she'd live through me. She vowed I'd be the best child anyone ever raised and had me playing the violin at 4 and pushed me into any& every child prodigy afterschool thing she could find. It was madness for both of us. It really messed me up for years & years. At 32 I forgive her mostly but I'm still a misbalanced insecure sorta drifter / artist.

    I'm frightened to have my own kids, I do see the same pathos /obsession/ perfection in myself.
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    Thanks dooce, rock on!

  • 73. ML said:

    My mother went back to work when I was in about 2nd grade. This was in the early 60's...and she went to work because she wanted to, not because she had to. Who'da thunk my mother was cutting edge back then? I stayed at home when my kids were small, and went back to work when they were in 3rd and 5th grades. As a caveat, my husband works in the school corporation, so he was home with them after school and during summers.

    Heather, I've been reading your website since the beginning. We'd guffaw at work about your writings about your job. So I guess I'm a long time reader, first time commenter. You've brought tears, laughter, and just a teensy bit of jealousy--you have an amazing talent for writing and photography.

    Your stories bring back memories of my boys when they were small (they're 24 and 21 now). The time goes so fast.... Enjoy and cherish all the time you can with your daughter and hubby at home. And spoil Chuck, who is obviously the perfect dog.

  • 75. Laura said:

    My mom worked her ass off taking care of two kids and an emotionally unavailable husband. I wish she could have done what she WANTED to, regardless of what that is, instead of what she had to, and be happy. And I hope my daughter can do the same.

  • 76. Icyshard said:

    My mom became a SAHM after the birth of my sister (who is 15 months younger than I). I think it was great--she was always there for us, took an active interest in our doings, was a major part of the PTA and helped provide many wonderful events for my school, and was also leader of my Girl Scout troop.

    She still had her interests--she pursued a small craft business with a couple friends, and often did other things with other PTA moms.

    She had to go back to work when I was in 6th grade, and it was a little different to come home from school and not have her there (though my dad's new job meant he came home right when school got out), but I was old enough where it didn't matter too much.

    I don't think I'd change any of it--I'm sure I reaped plenty of benefits from her being there.

    As for what I'd hope for my daughters...well, I'll let you know when I have one. :)

    I think I'd hope that they do whatever makes them happy though, and I hope to exercise my choice to stay home or work when I have kids--whichever happens to suit my situation when the time comes!

  • 78. Erin said:

    My mom worked until I was 10 or 11 (I'm 22 now). I'm an only child, and until then she was a single mother. I was a latch-key kid and I hated it. In the summer my mom dropped me off at the YMCA at 8am, so I had to go to bed early when the sun was still out, and I sat on the radiator in my second-story bedroom and watched my friends and neighbors gather on the sidewalks.

    But then my mom remarried and quit her job, and I said, "SUCK ON THAT, LATCH-KEY KIDS!"

    I don't want children. But if I did, I'd want my daughters to be twin actors.

  • 77. Kelsey said:

    Wow! Those questions seem to do what we hope any good writing will do, create discussion, even if it's only one's personal dialogue.

    I am currently a SAHM, for the most part. I used to teach first grade and I knew that I wouldn't be able to give the engergy I wanted to teaching and the engery I wanted to my child. So that left me at home. I substitute teach for friends of mine who teach, and only when I know ahead of time so it's easy to arrange care for my now 15-month old daughter. I was sure being a SAHM was what I wanted. Now, I am not always sure. I have realized that working satisfied a social need I didn't realize I had. I miss colleagues. I have a few other "mom" friends, but it's not the same as work. I had no idea how isolating being a SAHM would be, and it's really floored me. Finding blogs like yours on-line have really helped stave off that isolated feeling.

    When I first taught I think I sometimes looked down on families where both parents worked. Then I realized a supportive family is a supportive family, no matter who is working. People who have the option of one parent staying at home are blessed, and I applaud those who make that choice (and the sacrifices that come with it). I don't envy people who don't have that option, and I also applaud doing what is best for your family (and the sacrifices that come with being a working parent).

    My mom was not a SAHM mom, but I forget that she wasn't. She made the sacrifice of working 3rd shift, part time, most of the time I was in school. That pretty much meant she worked while we slept, slept while we were at school, and was there for us when we got home. When we were a little older, she switched to a day job as a home health nurse, but I was then responsible for only about an hour after school and she still made us dinner when she got home. I never felt like my mom missed any important events in our lives, school plays, volleyball games, recitals. I cannot, however, imagine how difficult that work schedule must have been on her and my father.

    I am debating going back to school and eventually returning to work. I'm not sure being home full-time is truly the best thing for me or my daughter. She is very passionate (read: subborn as a mule) like I am and we spend much of each day "butting heads". A little seperation might be good for both of us.

    When she grows up, I hope she finds something that makes her happy. If it's staying home to raise children, living on a mountain and raising goats, or working on Wall Street, I just hope she feels good about whatever she's doing. And even more importantly, I hope she is strong enough to make a change when she needs to.

    I used to feel like staying at home, wanting to stay at home, was some kind of slap in the face of all the women who fought so hard for equality in the workplace. Now I feel a little like we need to work toward better choices in society so more women and men feel able to do what is best for their families.

  • 79. klgray78 said:

    My mother worked full-time because she had to while my brother and I were growing up. I think it was unfortunate because there wasn't enough family time during the week. I remember faking that I was sick several times so my mom would leave work to pick me up from daycare. I just wanted to be home with her. I am an educated woman and I choose to stay home with my daughter so that I am here when she needs me. When she is ready for more independence then I will go back to work and pursue my career goals.
    I hope that if she has kids that she does what feels right for her.

  • 80. rockr girl said:

    what strikes me as funny here is that it sounds like the choice is "work/don't work". as if being a mother isn't work. its a highly underpaid occupation, IMO.
    my mother was liscenced as an art teacher, with a bachelors in art. she chose to stay home to be a full-time mom. she and my father made a lot of sacrifices in order to make that possible. in fact, they ate a lot of hot dogs and drank a lot of kool-aid in order to afford it. and i am so incredibly honored as their child that they chose to make those sacrifices.
    i think any true feminist would appreciate the option to excercise that choice - as she would any choice.
    i am a 30 year-old woman who is not married and who does not have children. i have a career that my parents are proud of, and my friends are jealous of. and yet, i know, when that time comes that i find the man i want to marry and father my children, i will make the choice to be a full-time mom. its all i've ever wanted to be. not a high-powered CEO or attorney. not a ballerina. not even a princess (unless its prince william who wants to father those rugrats). i think it is a noble and rewarding title, that of Stay At Home Mom, President of the Kitchen Board, Chair of the Laundry Room. and really, the women who think those of us who chose that life to be less-than they are, are the ones who make feminists look bad. not those who excercise the right, the opportunity, the priviledge of being a SAHM.

  • 81. Carny Asada said:

    My mom, who got married at 19 but finished her B.A. anyway, was a stay-at-home mom until I was a teen-ager. She entered law school the same year I entered high school. She worked in a government agency, taught legal writing and was what would now be called a freelance technical writer.

    I was a stay at home mother for as long as we could afford it; once we needed the health insurance, I went back to work. Before she entered law school, mom took classes at a nearby junior college to figure out what she wanted to do with her life. Ironically, I now teach at a junior college. I wish I had more students like my mom.

    People like author you quoted forget that one of the original campaigns of second-wave feminism was to get people to recognize that housewives performed a valuable function, that "housework" was real work and had an economic value in society. The idea that women should all leave their kids in daycare and go to work was never put forward by mainstream feminists in the 1970s; it was always supposed to be a choice.

  • 82. simone said:

    my mom did not have the choice. she was on her own with three small children, so she had to get a job where she had the flexablity if any of us needed her she could be there for most of the time.she is a realtor and that job also has it own uncertainties. If i would change any thing i wish she would have been around more and been more envolved with my life. i realize when i look back she didn't have the luxury she had to make sure the three of us had are needs might. i think my mom is a supermom.

  • 83. Amy said:

    Happy Blanniversary!

    And to the topic at hand--my mother quit working full time when I was born but continued to write and publish from home (during naptimes). My father continued to work out of the home. Once we started school she increasingly worked outside the home during school hours and would travel on weekends when my dad was home. My mother was very creative and involved but gave us our own space to make mistakes and messes. It was wonderful to know she was always available to us but we were also very proud of the work she did.

    My husband and I have an agreement that whoever is making the most money when we have our first child can stay home. As I'm a teacher and he runs a manufacturing company, I think I will get to stay home. I look forward to it in many ways and already have put some professional projects on hold so I can work on them when the time comes that we have kids.

  • 84. pammer said:

    My mom was a SAHM. She was president of the PTA (including dressing up in a Care Bear costume to promote a fundraiser), Girl Scout cookie mom, volunteered at Sunday school and all around kid schlepper to all our activities.

    She never went to college. She went to "business school" and was an executive secretary to an oil company CEO before having kids.

    When my dad decided to start his own business and money was no where to be found, she did some freelance work typing a manuscript for a friend's book. She did what she had to whenever she had to do it.

    I am so thankful she was always around. Even in college, I would call her and literally read her my term / research papers over the phone to make sure they were okay, or at least grammatically correct.

    She is an 11 year breast cancer survivor and now fighting myeloma (a cocksucking disease). And I have never been more proud of having her as a mom.

    I will send my daughter to college. I will broaden her mind and teach her about giving back like my mom did. And I will work to counteract all the bullshit that is shoved down women's throats about women not needing men, families not needing women and career comes before anything else.

    I will teach her, as you said, that exercising the choice to be a part of a marriage and a family is the hardest and most important decision she will ever make.

    And if she (and I) end up being 1/2 the women that she is... we'll have done pretty well.

  • 85. rockr girl said:

    what strikes me as funny here is that it sounds like the choice is "work/don't work". as if being a mother isn't work. its a highly underpaid occupation, IMO.
    my mother was liscenced as an art teacher, with a bachelors in art. she chose to stay home to be a full-time mom. she and my father made a lot of sacrifices in order to make that possible. in fact, they ate a lot of hot dogs and drank a lot of kool-aid in order to afford it. and i am so incredibly honored as their child that they chose to make those sacrifices.
    i think any true feminist would appreciate the option to excercise that choice - as she would any choice.
    i am a 30 year-old woman who is not married and who does not have children. i have a career that my parents are proud of, and my friends are jealous of. and yet, i know, when that time comes that i find the man i want to marry and father my children, i will make the choice to be a full-time mom. its all i've ever wanted to be. not a high-powered CEO or attorney. not a ballerina. not even a princess (unless its prince william who wants to father those rugrats). i think it is a noble and rewarding title, that of Stay At Home Mom, President of the Kitchen Board, Chair of the Laundry Room. and really, the women who think those of us who chose that life to be less-than they are, are the ones who make feminists look bad. not those who excercise the right, the opportunity, the priviledge of being a SAHM.

  • 86. lisapete said:

    Hi Heather - Happy Anniversary!

    My mom was a SAHM for most of my life, with a year thrown in here and there of work when my dad was working less hours and/or was ill.

    I loved having my mom at home, a lot more now in retrospect even. It was wonderful to have her there to address injuries, administer hugs, cook meals, plan events, delegate chores, and a million other motherly-related duties.

    Having said that, I did not choose this path, and in fact still have no kids at 33 because the one thing that gravely concerns me is how my mother never had the confidence to think she could live without my father to support her. I am grateful they worked things out the best they could to this day but I still think that my mother could have rightly chosen to divorce my father many times for various reasons. However, too much fear and love for us kids kept her from it.

    It terrifies me to think of being the sort of SAHM that relys solely on their spouse for finances. You do not have that issue ( plus you are the daughter of the Avon world sales leader! ) so I'm not sure if you know where I'm coming from with this. If I had ever had children, I would either elect to be the "working" spouse or work from home, if the option were there.

  • 87. Lauren P. said:

    My mom went back to work when I was about 7 or so and it really changed our relationship because she went from being my room mother and really involved in my school to no involvement at all. Never got to come to a play or anything. It was a dramatic change, and I wish she'd waited longer to go back to work. For many reasons, my relationship with my mom is always a struggle.

    I know my daughters will be incredible people, I want to stay with them until they're ready for me to go back to work.

    My christmas present was a gold badge for SXSW so I could go hear you speak. I hope more than anything to get to meet you, and I know you'll have a great time in Texas! Austin kicks ass and we LOVE you here!

  • 88. jon deal said:

    Obviously, Ms. Hirshman is stating her opinion, but it seems to me that she's taking way too normative a stance on the SAHM issue. As sita mentioned above, feminism is, or at least I think it should be, about the ability of a woman (or mother in this case), to make a choice about her life. And if you choose to work or to stay at home, that's fundamentally a Good Thing™, as my ex-girlfriend Martha would say.

  • 90. kimann said:

    I just started staying at home 4 months ago when my son was 10 months old. I have a college education and I CHOOSE to stay home. I love it and it is the hardest, most rewarding, most fun, most complicated and at times most frustrating job I have ever had. I love it more than anything.

    My mom stayed home with us until we were old enough to come home and stay by ourselves for an hour or so. I am thankful she did, I think it was the best thing for my sister and I.

    I haven't not yet looked at anything by or about this Linda Hirshman, but I wonder does she have children? Did she stay home with them?

    I think it is great that this blog has been able to provide for your family and that you can all be home together. I could only dream of something like that happening for me. LOVE the blog and Congratulations on 5 years!

  • 91. jagosaurus said:

    Congratulations on your success and for exercising you free will to choose what is best for you.

    My mother stayed home with me until I entered middle school and then went back to school, got her degree, and started her career as a teacher. I am proud of her for doing what she wanted and I am proud that I graduated high school and she graduated college the same year.

    If I become a parent, I would like to think I could do as good a job as her of balancing my life.

  • 93. notarockstar said:

    As an artist, my mother was able to make the choice to work from home before many mom's had the ability to do so. If I ever have a child, I plan on carrying on the family tradition.

    Yes, the experience was that great.

    (p.s. Tell Leta I really like her rockin' lopsided half-looped pigtails. Although I am 28, my hair resembles the Leta-talis on most days.)

  • 94. Kat said:

    My Mom was a SAHM, but she wasn't home that much. A younger brother had serious health issues so several years were spent staying with him in hospitals. As his health improved she became VERY involved with the Junior League, the Ladies Auxiliary at the church and other organizations.

    Growing up it was tough to deal with. Physically, Mom was home, but she was very busy. Her time was taken up with phone calls and meetings and various projects. There were no boundaries between home and her 'work'. I wish that there had been boundaries. That she had had a commute during which she could decompress from her 'work' day, that she didn't bring her job, or the phone to the dinner table. Very frustrating when you wanted to talk about important things like menstruation and whether or not you could go to the slumber party at the Craig's house.

  • 95. Amy said:

    Happy Blanniversary!

    And to the topic at hand--my mother quit working full time when I was born but continued to write and publish from home (during naptimes). My father continued to work out of the home. Once we started school she increasingly worked outside the home during school hours and would travel on weekends when my dad was home. My mother was very creative and involved but gave us our own space to make mistakes and messes. It was wonderful to know she was always available to us but we were also very proud of the work she did.

    My husband and I have an agreement that whoever is making the most money when we have our first child can stay home. As I'm a teacher and he runs a manufacturing company, I think I will get to stay home. I look forward to it in many ways and already have put some professional projects on hold so I can work on them when the time comes that we have kids.

  • 96. eden said:

    "What I want to know in comments is what did your mother do? Did your mother stay at home? Did she work? And how did you feel about what she did?"

    My mother was a SAHM before there was such an acronym. She occasionally worked part-time outside the home, including a stint at Sears which I believe she took to get a discount on a Kenmore sewing machine. My mom could make stuff out of anything, sewed all my clothes, etc. I didn't care if she worked inside or outside the home. She had/has BPD (see also "Mommy Dearest" to know how that manifests) and her behavior wasn't usually tolerated outside the home. Many times I'd rather she wasn't around. When she left a job, she'd say "Oh my daughter doesn't want me to work." That wasn't true. I didn't care one way or the other.

    "If you could change anything about what she did what would that be?"

    Insofar as her working inside versus outside the home? Her mental illness aside, I would have prefered that she worked or volunteered outside the home in some capacity. By the time I was in middle school, I was the center of her universe; her happiness depended on what I did. If I got a bad grade or didn't get chosen for cheerleading or something, her world would come crashing down. I didn't (and still don't) share much of what's happening in my life with her. I would have prefered she had friends or at least people she could call and chat with on the phone. I wish she had tried more to be a parent and less to be a "girlfriend."

    "Also, what do you hope your daughters grow up to do?"

    The easy answer is "whatever makes her happy," which (1) is true and (2) is true for my son as well. If I'm going to go out on a limb and actually dream a little for her, I would like her to do something creative like writing or music, whether as a job or a hobby. Whatever her passion, be it rocket science or fronting a band, I want her to love doing what supports her and her family. If her situation is such that her partner supports the family financially and she has the opportunity to be a stay-at-home mom (and same goes for my son being a SAHD), I hope she pursues it. It's been incredibly rewarding for me, higher education and all.

  • 97. JEM said:

    Heather: i have been reading your site every day for about 6 months...You make me laugh, cry and think. Thanks.
    I am a stay at home mom...more or less by choice. I have two kids (9 and 7) and when my oldest was about one, we moved from one east coast city to another for my husbands work. I really didn't want to move (mostly because I hate change and hate cities). I had gone back to work when my daughter was 6 months old (as a public sector lawyer). When we moved I was pregnant with my second so it seemed so easy to just not look for work (or even take the bar). In some way, I feel guilty for not struggling with that decision more.

    I enjoy my kids a lot and feel that we made the best decision for all of us...my husband supports my choice to not work outside the house but I spent a lot of time the first couple of years wondering what to fill in on forms when they asked about occupation.

    In some ways I feel extra lucky..not only can we afford to have ne stay home but I can kind of reinvent myself now with a new (as yet undecided) career (thanks to lots o' therapy). But I see way too many women in the affulent area in which I live either working to avoid their kids, husbands or themselves or the stay at home types making snide comments about the working moms while they exercise themselves to a size 2 and buy another pair of Prada shoes...

    I really want my daughter to grow up in a world where any choice she makes can be respected and supported by other women...I guess that is waht I thought feminism was about...

  • 98. Sara said:

    My mom bailed, so it was just me and my dad and he worked a lot. So I was raised in a pretty non-traditional environment, but I still think it would be nice to have the option to stay home part-time. Adult company is important, as Heather has shared with us.

  • 99. Carli said:

    My mother was barely a mother, and worked when I was in her care. Who knows what she did when I wasn't... Yeah, I got issues - who doesn't?

    I am a 32 year old SAHM to three under 5 years old. When kid #2 was born, I quit a very good job that I was good at and brought home lotsa dough. However, I feel like I made the right choice to be home with them, even when it's all I can do not to poke my own eyes out (like now, as I'm trying to type and I have one playing hide and seek under the office chair and the baby is trying to open and close the sliding keyboard tray). I could make more money, have some health insurance and a little bit of sanity, but they're only little for such a short time.... sigh. I think I made the right choice for me and that bitch on GMA needs to get checked.

    PS - thanks for opening up the comments again! :)

  • 100. Amy said:

    My mother went to work when I was about five and I really didn't like it.

    I have two little kids and I stay at home with them but I want to go back to work and I understand why my Mom needed to work. I respect every woman's choice to do what she wants and I wish every woman and man had that choice.

    I have a daughter and I hope she grows up to be happy and peaceful and a force of good in the world. I don't care if she stays home with kids or works 100 hour weeks but I do hope all of her dreams come true.

  • 101. rockr girl said:

    what strikes me as funny here is that it sounds like the choice is "work/don't work". as if being a mother isn't work. its a highly underpaid occupation, IMO. one with important and lasting effects on society, business and community.
    my mother was liscenced as an art teacher, with a bachelors in art. she chose to stay home to b